I miss my old CRT! - Page 3

Adrian Wong · 1st Mar 2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chai

Just go try a CRT with 85Hz, and just by moving the mouse, you can instantly tell the difference. Having higher refresh rate is not just about flicker free, it also meant that the display is more constantly updated, which is why it's smoother. You think those 100Hz TVs were gimmick?

The point is only CRTs have refresh rates. If you see ghosting of the cursor with an LCD, then it has to be its response time.

The Dell 20" LCD has about a 16ms response time. If that's even accurate, it's equivalent to about a 62.5Hz CRT refresh rate, when it comes to moving objects.

As for 100Hz LCD TVs, it just means they are capable of displaying 100 frames per second. That requires a sufficently fast response time (at least 10 ms).

ZuePhok · 2nd Mar 2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PsYkHoTiK

I don't see too much of a difference really. I really enjoy the brightness and sharpness though. Also I don't see why my panel sets the refresh at 75Hz. I thought all of them are 60Hz? :\

I did notice however, when I switch it to watch TV or anything, the res changes from 1440x900 to 1920x1080 (1080i) and the refresh drops from 75Hz to 30something. Wonder why.

urs is interlace. not progressive

peaz · 3rd Mar 2007, 04:16 PM

Maybe you should get a high end LCD instead. Hahaha. The dell's panel isn't really that good anyway.

Chai · 3rd Mar 2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by peaz

Maybe you should get a high end LCD instead. Hahaha. The dell's panel isn't really that good anyway.

But the thing is Dell is using LG Philip panel, which is basically the same as all the high end LCDs. There's nothing you can do with the response time. Most high end ones concentrate on color accuracy. I'm probably going to buy a color calibrator to solve that problem.

Adrian Wong · 3rd Mar 2007, 05:39 PM

Yup, nothing you can do about the response time. But the response time should improve over time.

Alternatively, you can opt for faster panels like TN panels. They have something like response times of 4 ms to 8 ms, which gives you a CRT-like refresh rate of 125Hz to 250Hz.

Chai · 3rd Mar 2007, 06:05 PM

I value color accuracy far more than response time, something which CRT excels in both. Give and take.

Anyone interested in this?

http://www.integrated-color.com/Merc...ay+Calibration

Adrian Wong · 3rd Mar 2007, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chai

I value color accuracy far more than response time, something which CRT excels in both. Give and take.

Anyone interested in this?

http://www.integrated-color.com/Merc...ay+Calibration

Wow.. That's expensive.. and it's only for the Mac.

Chai · 3rd Mar 2007, 11:53 PM

There's a PC version.

We can always share this among us. Each of us will only use it everytime we buy a new monitor, which is not a lot.

PsYkHoTiK · 4th Mar 2007, 12:42 AM

There's one on sale somewhere (me thinks buy.com...)

Bestia(ry) · 4th Mar 2007, 04:45 PM

If you can see ghosting on a 16ms-panel, your eyes
or the panel itself must be "damaged" ... or even both.

^^

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Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 26,350 Reputation: 3879 Rep Power: 71	I value color accuracy far more than response time, something which CRT excels in both. Give and take. Anyone interested in this? http://www.integrated-color.com/Merc...ay+Calibration __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/ Last edited by Chai : 3rd Mar 2007 at 06:14 PM.

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Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 26,350 Reputation: 3879 Rep Power: 71	There's a PC version. We can always share this among us. Each of us will only use it everytime we buy a new monitor, which is not a lot. __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

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