system maintenance is tiring - Page 3

fyire · 10th Jun 2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Das Capitolin

When eg660 said "If you dont want to do all these...then get a MAC..." I made the other comparisons, as if to say getting a Mac is the alternative... and it is worse. I didn't think that would be so hard to make the connection.

The only connection that you wish to be made is the FUD that I am refering to. It is as if you are asserting that any attempts to switch to anything else will always end up worse, especially given the comparisons that you had chosen to use.

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Originally Posted by Das Capitolin

No system maintenance on a Mac? You still have updates, and they are free (FYI: just like all Microsoft updates are free) yet you just get stuck with the poor performance of a fragmented hard disk and hardware you cannot tweak.

Basically, updates is about the only thing that needs to be done. But if you're to look at the original post, that is only one item of the entire list of grumbles.

Tell me something. How many different systems have you used before apart from Windows? Anybody familiar with unix can tell you that the filesystems available on different unix systems are not effected by disk fragmentation, unlike what you're asserting here. More FUD Perhaps?

Hardware that cannot be tweaked? How much research have you actually done on this? Sure, maybe not to the extend of self assembled machines if you're to get an actual Mac from Apple. Next, looks like you're also not aware that its possible for hobbyists to assemble their own Macs too.

Hmm... next item I guess will be tweakable OS, to the point of your own customized kernel too.

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Originally Posted by Das Capitolin

As far as price goes, Windows XP Home SP-2 Full Version costs $65 USD. Please tell me where you can buy or upgrade the current Mac O/S for less!

Try showing me XP Pro for less

It is like Chai is very fond of saying, every system has its pros and cons, different ppl have different requirements and preferences that determine which systems is suitable for them.

This is not about Mac vs Windows, but more on your FUD on any attempts to look at alternatives to Windows will always end up for the worse.

fyire · 10th Jun 2006, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Das Capitolin

Why didn't you list the price for OEM Windows XP Home?

Gimme price for OEM Windows XP Pro

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Originally Posted by Das Capitolin

Also, OEM doesn't exist for Mac software because guess what... you can't build a Mac.

Obviously speaking out of ignorance

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Originally Posted by Das Capitolin

I'm not sure if you know this about Windows or not, but the OEM version is identical to the retail version with one minor difference: One comes in a colorful box and the other comes in a brown box with white sleeve.

Duh

Tell me, can you get OEM if you wish to upgrade your OS but keep your existing hardware?

Chai · 10th Jun 2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fyire

Gimme price for OEM Windows XP Pro

Obviously speaking out of ignorance

Duh

Tell me, can you get OEM if you wish to upgrade your OS but keep your existing hardware?

I think you are trying to say 'upgrade your hardware, while keeping your existing OS?'

fyire · 10th Jun 2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chai

I think you are trying to say 'upgrade your hardware, while keeping your existing OS?'

Actually no, was refering to upgrading OS while keeping old hardware (as you can only get OEM prices with purchase of new hardware).

But looks like you managed another point too here. You cant keep your old OEM licensing if you upgrade your motherboard.

Chai · 10th Jun 2006, 11:42 PM

Well, you can always get a cheap component...

I think not being able to keep the OEM license is a much bigger issue, as hardware outdates a lot faster than OS these days, especially when WinXP was released back in 2001. I can't even remember what my PC was like back then!

fyire · 10th Jun 2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chai

Well, you can always get a cheap component...

I think not being able to keep the OEM license is a much bigger issue, as hardware outdates a lot faster than OS these days, especially when WinXP was released back in 2001. I can't even remember what my PC was like back then!

heck.. i'm still kicking myself for paying SGD 900 for a Pentium 90 yonks ago...

But I do miss the PC that I had back in 2001 though. Using one of those classic BP6 motherboards, dual Celeron

Shorter · 11th Jun 2006, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fyire

According to http://macasia.com.my/software/index.html

Mac OS X 10.4 Retail is RM499. That's boxed set retail, not OEM

It's still cheaper. You can't even get OEM OS X. And yes, there's a way to upgrade the system or OS and still use the OEM license. Legal too. As for the grumbles :

Virus definitions : don't have them. No virus scanner/cleaner over here.

Windows updates : Mac has updates too.

scandisk : been a while since I've done that.

Cleanup : been a while since I've done that too.

Defrag : ditto

Upgrades : have to do that for the Mac too.

So Mac or PC, it's all the same to me. But the PCs are cheaper

hyper_raider · 11th Jun 2006, 07:29 AM

I dont want to see this as a mac vs pc thing..

djspinnet · 11th Jun 2006, 09:30 AM

Mac, Windows, Unix/Linux, all are the same, all have the same problems. I've used all three, and faced problems with all three. 'Nuff said.

Windows is no better than Mac which is no better than Linux, depending on the user's personal preference.

belikethat · 11th Jun 2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by octaves

Virus definitions, Windows updates, scandisk, cleanup, defrag, upgrades etc etc.. scheduling these is real work ?
Do you guys agree with me, maintenance of system is tedious job ?

believe it or not.. i like to do those kind of work

10th Jun 2006, 11:42 PM	#25 (permalink)
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djspinnet Active Join Date: 3 Jun 2005 Posts: 591 Reputation: 583 Rep Power: 9	Mac, Windows, Unix/Linux, all are the same, all have the same problems. I've used all three, and faced problems with all three. 'Nuff said. Windows is no better than Mac which is no better than Linux, depending on the user's personal preference. __________________ Jinny Wong djspinnet.org