Weird Lag... - Page 2

Adrian Wong · 13th Aug 2007, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1031982

yep. But, now that I think of it, I never had this with the ATI a while ago...
Anyway, If I update the driver performance goes down. Rotten AGP. Rotten money situation not allowing me to replace my board, CPU, RAM, and graphics card. Oh well.

Huh? Really? What driver version are you using?

1031982 · 13th Aug 2007, 06:57 PM

93.71. It's fine, exact card is an EVga 7800 GS pre overclocked version. But I just saw version 162.18. Now any further version up to the 100 and above series I tried made random lags in video playback. Video being AVI, MOV, and DVD type stuff. By all means, I am fully willing to try the new driver, and I actually am downloading as I type now. So, it looks like I have something new to try!

The_YongGrand · 13th Aug 2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1031982

yep. But, now that I think of it, I never had this with the ATI a while ago...
Anyway, If I update the driver performance goes down. Rotten AGP. Rotten money situation not allowing me to replace my board, CPU, RAM, and graphics card. Oh well.

The AGP card isn't rotten yet. If you still insist of an upgrade without killing the wallet, you can *still* replace your board + processor without changing RAM.

The easiest way out for a dirt-cheap upgrade is Asus P5PE-VM, and a C2D or a P.Dual Core E2140/E2160. But make sure you have 2x 1GB RAM here since the board supports only 2 slots of RAM. You keep the RAM and the Graphics card, and you get a heck of a dual-core and some more performance boost.

jmho

edit: Have you contacted nVidia tech support for the driver problem?

1031982 · 13th Aug 2007, 10:56 PM

Ok, I am using the latest drivers, and same problem. But there is no slow down any ware, so I will just keep using them.
As for me saying rotten AGP, it's on the fact that it's hard to upgrade any AGP video these days, when I got this card, it was bad enough. Got it because it was being called "The last AGP card worth getting for gaming". Kinda funny, because it has in now way limited me with the little gaming I do, and it compatible with all current games. But I was not saying AGP was bad, just that PCI Express has effectively taken over for optimum gaming and manufacturers jumped on that ASAP.

Now contacting nVidia for tech support on driver problems is not the best way for me to go... Only reason I replaced my card was because my ATI was bad. So, in theory, (and only in theory) the port can be flaky. But I relayed it to MS, and they said "This performance problem is in relation to the system RAM you have. Contact your computer manufacturer about this problem to have it resolved." I was laughing so hard, because my RAM has been tested in so may ways, so many times.
But, if I contacted nVidia, I would expect them to relay it back to the company who made the card, eVGA and causing me to RMA it. It's worth a shot though. I will do and wait for what I assume early to be a dumbed down answer.

Adrian Wong · 14th Aug 2007, 05:16 PM

Hmm.. TBH, AGP graphics cards should not exhibit this problem. It's really not a matter of speed of the port/bus itself. It's really about the speed of the graphics chip. You are using a GeForce 7800 GS. That's plenty fast enough.

Check your display driver properties and see if the Performance slider is at the maximum? It really looks like those 2D buttons and icons were not accelerated...

1031982 · 14th Aug 2007, 09:27 PM

I know that because I my sister has on-board Intel video without the problem. By all practical means this problem should no exist! And that's what nVidia said! Thus, I am back to the start because everyone blames everyone else. Windows crashes, MS blames RAM. Ram manufacturer blames the board, and the board manufacture blames Windows.
Anyway I came from a Radeon 9800 AGP 8X, much slower then what I have now and it never had this problem. I pulled up some backup logs and turns out, this started happening after I had a working system for about a month. Even since then, it does this even with a clean install with MS drivers.
Also, the new drivers actually do help a bit. The time for the lag is cut in half which just verifies it's something with the video completely. And unfortunately it seems to be hardware related. But benchmarks and stress tests don't crash the GPU or system.

The_YongGrand · 14th Aug 2007, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1031982

I know that because I my sister has on-board Intel video without the problem. By all practical means this problem should no exist! And that's what nVidia said! Thus, I am back to the start because everyone blames everyone else. Windows crashes, MS blames RAM. Ram manufacturer blames the board, and the board manufacture blames Windows.
Anyway I came from a Radeon 9800 AGP 8X, much slower then what I have now and it never had this problem. I pulled up some backup logs and turns out, this started happening after I had a working system for about a month. Even since then, it does this even with a clean install with MS drivers.
Also, the new drivers actually do help a bit. The time for the lag is cut in half which just verifies it's something with the video completely. And unfortunately it seems to be hardware related. But benchmarks and stress tests don't crash the GPU or system.

Is your Athlon XP 2800+ equipped with a stock cooler or a bigger one? From what I had experienced, poor cooling in these processors might make the whole system to be glitchy. If it isn't have you downloaded the latest motherboard drivers? Chipset drivers?

Adrian Wong · 14th Aug 2007, 11:37 PM

Hmm.. The AGP port driver "could" be the problem. Not likely but worth checking out.

b104 · 14th Aug 2007, 11:52 PM

Try running the latest chipset drivers over your old ones.It will uninstall them b4 installng the new ones.it's easy to forget that they govern all apps on your machine.Everything will usually work, but at a slower pace if they are not working properly.Won't hurt either way!

1031982 · 15th Aug 2007, 04:38 AM

I have the latest chipset drivers already. They haven't been updated for some time now. NForce 2 chipset for XP, but I never had any (visibal) problems with them except the IDE driver, which I don't use.
AGP driver being the problem... I don't think so because I use the NForce one, but seeing how chipset drivers are the first thing I install after getting to the OS it would add up. I will go ahead and use the MS AGP driver. Honestly, I haven't thought of it. I don't even think it would be a problem because it's all nVidia at this point, but I will try it!

13th Aug 2007, 06:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
1031982 Super Active Join Date: 25 Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,580 Reputation: 285 Rep Power: 9	93.71. It's fine, exact card is an EVga 7800 GS pre overclocked version. But I just saw version 162.18. Now any further version up to the 100 and above series I tried made random lags in video playback. Video being AVI, MOV, and DVD type stuff. By all means, I am fully willing to try the new driver, and I actually am downloading as I type now. So, it looks like I have something new to try! __________________ Running : Gigabyte EP45-DS3R, Intel E7200 C2D, 2GB DDR2 Dual Channel, WD Raptor 74GB, WD 500 GB HDD, ASUS 16X DVD-ROM, LiteOn 16X DVD+/-RW, 1.44 MB Floppy, ATI Radeon HD 3450, Dell 2005FPW, and a SB Audigy2 ZS PRO with Logitech Z5300e speakers.

13th Aug 2007, 10:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
1031982 Super Active Join Date: 25 Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,580 Reputation: 285 Rep Power: 9	Ok, I am using the latest drivers, and same problem. But there is no slow down any ware, so I will just keep using them. As for me saying rotten AGP, it's on the fact that it's hard to upgrade any AGP video these days, when I got this card, it was bad enough. Got it because it was being called "The last AGP card worth getting for gaming". Kinda funny, because it has in now way limited me with the little gaming I do, and it compatible with all current games. But I was not saying AGP was bad, just that PCI Express has effectively taken over for optimum gaming and manufacturers jumped on that ASAP. Now contacting nVidia for tech support on driver problems is not the best way for me to go... Only reason I replaced my card was because my ATI was bad. So, in theory, (and only in theory) the port can be flaky. But I relayed it to MS, and they said "This performance problem is in relation to the system RAM you have. Contact your computer manufacturer about this problem to have it resolved." I was laughing so hard, because my RAM has been tested in so may ways, so many times. But, if I contacted nVidia, I would expect them to relay it back to the company who made the card, eVGA and causing me to RMA it. It's worth a shot though. I will do and wait for what I assume early to be a dumbed down answer. __________________ Running : Gigabyte EP45-DS3R, Intel E7200 C2D, 2GB DDR2 Dual Channel, WD Raptor 74GB, WD 500 GB HDD, ASUS 16X DVD-ROM, LiteOn 16X DVD+/-RW, 1.44 MB Floppy, ATI Radeon HD 3450, Dell 2005FPW, and a SB Audigy2 ZS PRO with Logitech Z5300e speakers.

14th Aug 2007, 05:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
Adrian Wong Da Boss Join Date: 10 Oct 2002 Location: In front of my BenQ Joybook 7000 notebook! Posts: 29,939 Reputation: 2958 Rep Power: 65	Hmm.. TBH, AGP graphics cards should not exhibit this problem. It's really not a matter of speed of the port/bus itself. It's really about the speed of the graphics chip. You are using a GeForce 7800 GS. That's plenty fast enough. Check your display driver properties and see if the Performance slider is at the maximum? It really looks like those 2D buttons and icons were not accelerated... __________________ Dr. Adrian Wong Tech ARP \| Blog @ Tech ARP \| The Free Trade Zone DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank? Keep Tech ARP free! Visit our sponsors! We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer! My items for sale : 50x SD Card \| Memory Stick PRO \| Cyclone Energy Saver \| Seiko SS watch \| Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs \| Travel Speakers \| Motorola V600 \| Nokia N90 SOLD! \| New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 \| Swarovski bracelet watches \| Dell 17" LCD \| Hi-Fi speakers \| English DIVX movies \| HP LaserJet toners! \| Office chairs

14th Aug 2007, 09:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
1031982 Super Active Join Date: 25 Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,580 Reputation: 285 Rep Power: 9	I know that because I my sister has on-board Intel video without the problem. By all practical means this problem should no exist! And that's what nVidia said! Thus, I am back to the start because everyone blames everyone else. Windows crashes, MS blames RAM. Ram manufacturer blames the board, and the board manufacture blames Windows. Anyway I came from a Radeon 9800 AGP 8X, much slower then what I have now and it never had this problem. I pulled up some backup logs and turns out, this started happening after I had a working system for about a month. Even since then, it does this even with a clean install with MS drivers. Also, the new drivers actually do help a bit. The time for the lag is cut in half which just verifies it's something with the video completely. And unfortunately it seems to be hardware related. But benchmarks and stress tests don't crash the GPU or system. __________________ Running : Gigabyte EP45-DS3R, Intel E7200 C2D, 2GB DDR2 Dual Channel, WD Raptor 74GB, WD 500 GB HDD, ASUS 16X DVD-ROM, LiteOn 16X DVD+/-RW, 1.44 MB Floppy, ATI Radeon HD 3450, Dell 2005FPW, and a SB Audigy2 ZS PRO with Logitech Z5300e speakers.

14th Aug 2007, 11:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
Adrian Wong Da Boss Join Date: 10 Oct 2002 Location: In front of my BenQ Joybook 7000 notebook! Posts: 29,939 Reputation: 2958 Rep Power: 65	Hmm.. The AGP port driver "could" be the problem. Not likely but worth checking out. __________________ Dr. Adrian Wong Tech ARP \| Blog @ Tech ARP \| The Free Trade Zone DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank? Keep Tech ARP free! Visit our sponsors! We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer! My items for sale : 50x SD Card \| Memory Stick PRO \| Cyclone Energy Saver \| Seiko SS watch \| Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs \| Travel Speakers \| Motorola V600 \| Nokia N90 SOLD! \| New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 \| Swarovski bracelet watches \| Dell 17" LCD \| Hi-Fi speakers \| English DIVX movies \| HP LaserJet toners! \| Office chairs

14th Aug 2007, 11:52 PM	#19 (permalink)
b104 Getting there Join Date: 18 Aug 2004 Location: Ex-Tokyo shoebox renter Posts: 230 Reputation: 28 Rep Power: 5	Try running the latest chipset drivers over your old ones.It will uninstall them b4 installng the new ones.it's easy to forget that they govern all apps on your machine.Everything will usually work, but at a slower pace if they are not working properly.Won't hurt either way! __________________ B104 Last edited by b104 : 15th Aug 2007 at 12:02 AM.

15th Aug 2007, 04:38 AM	#20 (permalink)
1031982 Super Active Join Date: 25 Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,580 Reputation: 285 Rep Power: 9	I have the latest chipset drivers already. They haven't been updated for some time now. NForce 2 chipset for XP, but I never had any (visibal) problems with them except the IDE driver, which I don't use. AGP driver being the problem... I don't think so because I use the NForce one, but seeing how chipset drivers are the first thing I install after getting to the OS it would add up. I will go ahead and use the MS AGP driver. Honestly, I haven't thought of it. I don't even think it would be a problem because it's all nVidia at this point, but I will try it! __________________ Running : Gigabyte EP45-DS3R, Intel E7200 C2D, 2GB DDR2 Dual Channel, WD Raptor 74GB, WD 500 GB HDD, ASUS 16X DVD-ROM, LiteOn 16X DVD+/-RW, 1.44 MB Floppy, ATI Radeon HD 3450, Dell 2005FPW, and a SB Audigy2 ZS PRO with Logitech Z5300e speakers.