Changing graphic card issues

belikethat · 26th Jun 2007, 12:13 AM

i have a
2.40 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P4S533-E REV 1.xx
Bus Clock: 133 megahertz
384 Megabytes Installed Memory(support up to 2700)
(also plan to get another 512 stick)
Enlight PSU 350 Ultra power.. haha is it true power?

ASUS V8170 SE 64RAM

core clock speed 250MHz
memory clock speed of 166MHz? 166 x 2 ?
the asus site has remove my card, so i got it from here
from http://www.megagames.com/news/html/h...geforce4.shtml
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alrite, i want a budget card that utilized based on my pc spec.
budget less than rm200
i play old games like war3, GTA VC, etc
i don`t play games like far cry,doom 3, hl2, etc

1st issue
sadly my mobo supports up to 4x only but 8x cards are backward compatible
how truth is this? i had a fren who couldn`t get his x1600 into his 4x slot

"If an AGP card fits in an AGP expansion slot then they are compatible.
But read the rest of this anyway. There are some rare exceptions where motherboard
and video card manufacturers don't obey the rules."
http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcom...agpmotherboard

based on that state, i think it SHOULD be ok, but what do u think?

2nd issue
What is the performance like if u put a 8x card into 4x slot?
"For most systems the performance difference between AGP 4x and AGP 8x is at most around 5-10%."
http://www.tweakguides.com/ATICAT_2.html

3rd issue
Which card do i go for

i have checked out and interested in A9550GE, N5500, N6200

which spec do i look for, core speed, bit? engine clock? DDR2 ?
However, I think i should go for a 128RAM card, cause i seen posting saying that there
not much different between 256 and 128 unless the game is very demanding,which i don`t play?

How does the 64 bit compare to 128 bit, the 6200 has only 64bit but higher core speed
whereelse 9550 has 128 bit but lowered core speed..

nvidia?ati?

or just tell me i should stick to what i have coz even with changing a new graphic card, not much improvement can be noticed,so i don`t have all these problems lol
and sorry about the long post

oh and i don`t OC.

Max_87 · 26th Jun 2007, 02:57 AM

1. I've heard such rare issues before, but I've never experienced this problem before. If you want to be safe, bring your PC to the shop and test the card before you buy.

2. You just answered the question yourself

. In your case, I doubt it'll even reach 5% (1 or 2% perhaps).

3. What are the memory clock speeds for both cards? Clock to clock, 128-bit memory interface has essentially twice the amount of memory bandwidth of 64-bit memory interface. I say go for the 9550, 64-bit memory interface is a serious bottleneck for the 6200.

For example, 9600 (128-bit, 200MHz) vs 9600 SE (64-bit 200MHz)
9600: 128-bit/8*200MHz*2 = 6.4 GB/s
9600 SE: 64-bit/8*200MHz*2 = 3.2 GB/s

belikethat · 26th Jun 2007, 04:13 AM

guess it's down to these 2 card

Galaxy/NVIDIA 5500 128 BIT,270 CPU
http://www.galaxytech.com/Product_De...s1=2&class2=20

ASUS ATI RADEON 9550GE 256MB DDR 128bit 400MHz = RM185
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...&model menu=2

something worried me
in the 9600 series, Bus Standard for ONLY pro is "AGP8X", while others GE,SE and XT is "AGP8X/4X/2X" =/

Chai · 26th Jun 2007, 09:00 AM

8x and 4x are backward compatible.

Max_87 · 26th Jun 2007, 09:01 AM

Avoid the FX series at all cost, they totally suck compared to ATI counterparts.

Trinity · 26th Jun 2007, 10:03 AM

How about this. 7950AGP

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...SE#detailspecs

belikethat · 26th Jun 2007, 01:28 PM

7950 is way out my budget $229.99 x 3 = rm690 lol

i will settle with asus9550GE, but if there a 9600, than it good
but if there 6200 with 128 bit, than it will be even sweater lol

CoolZone · 26th Jun 2007, 05:19 PM

i encountered some problems when i tried to install an agp 8x card into an agp 4x kt133a mobo.it simply did not want to boot.

The_YongGrand · 26th Jun 2007, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belikethat

guess it's down to these 2 card

Galaxy/NVIDIA 5500 128 BIT,270 CPU
http://www.galaxytech.com/Product_De...s1=2&class2=20

ASUS ATI RADEON 9550GE 256MB DDR 128bit 400MHz = RM185
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...&model menu=2

something worried me
in the 9600 series, Bus Standard for ONLY pro is "AGP8X", while others GE,SE and XT is "AGP8X/4X/2X" =/

Eh, there're still nicer AGP cards around. Look around - don't just buy too hastily.

Try to hunt for the Galaxy 7300GT vanilla/premium if you happen to find it. They make cheap good gaming cards if you are not so concerned about hi-res.

Also, if all else fails, try looking for 6200 AGP cards. Forsa Geforce 6200 AGP is a good buy too - minus the turbocache. That way no more system RAM is sucked by the card. I have a Forsa Geforce 6200 in my 2nd rig and it's running Vista + aeroglass properly and smoothly. If you cannot happen to find any decent 6200 cards - drop me a PM - I know a shop nearby my house which still stock up that nifty 6200 I mentioned just now.

The 9550/9600 isn't really strong compared to the 6200 in certain cases. If you still insist of the 9550 you better get the PowerColor one, it's really special. The Geforce 5200/5500 FX is a horrible (sorry to say that) card and it's only useful for its DVI output and TV output and classic games.

Just my humble opinion.

edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by belikethat

i will settle with asus9550GE, but if there a 9600, than it good
but if there 6200 with 128 bit, than it will be even sweater lol

Many newer 6200 cards are only 64-bit, but that wouldn't hurt too much. I'm sure if you can get my recommendation (Forsa Geforce 6200) with the 256MB DDR2 model, it'll make a good simple Vista rig and with games which has lower graphics requirements. I've tested Doom3 on that card, with no AA, 2X AF, all high details, no vsync and it's running nicely. HL2? no AA, 2x AF, all high details, no vsync, less shadows and it's also running good. Resolutions? 800x600. If you can further to 1024x768 it'll be okay, but be careful if FPS drop to less than 15.

The Asus 9550GE will do slightly better than my 6200 also. Perhaps it'll be a guideline of these lower end cards.

PowerSlide · 27th Jun 2007, 02:27 AM

agree with yong_grand

go for the galaxy 7300GT..around RM300 to RM350 for a agp card..good value buy for now..

dun spend more on agp card nowdays..

26th Jun 2007, 12:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
belikethat I'm a regular Join Date: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 496 Reputation: 58 Rep Power: 3	Changing graphic card issues i have a 2.40 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4 Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P4S533-E REV 1.xx Bus Clock: 133 megahertz 384 Megabytes Installed Memory(support up to 2700) (also plan to get another 512 stick) Enlight PSU 350 Ultra power.. haha is it true power? ASUS V8170 SE 64RAM core clock speed 250MHz memory clock speed of 166MHz? 166 x 2 ? the asus site has remove my card, so i got it from here from http://www.megagames.com/news/html/h...geforce4.shtml __________________________________________________ ________________________ alrite, i want a budget card that utilized based on my pc spec. budget less than rm200 i play old games like war3, GTA VC, etc i don`t play games like far cry,doom 3, hl2, etc 1st issue sadly my mobo supports up to 4x only but 8x cards are backward compatible how truth is this? i had a fren who couldn`t get his x1600 into his 4x slot "If an AGP card fits in an AGP expansion slot then they are compatible. But read the rest of this anyway. There are some rare exceptions where motherboard and video card manufacturers don't obey the rules." http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcom...agpmotherboard based on that state, i think it SHOULD be ok, but what do u think? 2nd issue What is the performance like if u put a 8x card into 4x slot? "For most systems the performance difference between AGP 4x and AGP 8x is at most around 5-10%." http://www.tweakguides.com/ATICAT_2.html 3rd issue Which card do i go for i have checked out and interested in A9550GE, N5500, N6200 which spec do i look for, core speed, bit? engine clock? DDR2 ? However, I think i should go for a 128RAM card, cause i seen posting saying that there not much different between 256 and 128 unless the game is very demanding,which i don`t play? How does the 64 bit compare to 128 bit, the 6200 has only 64bit but higher core speed whereelse 9550 has 128 bit but lowered core speed.. nvidia?ati? or just tell me i should stick to what i have coz even with changing a new graphic card, not much improvement can be noticed,so i don`t have all these problems lol and sorry about the long post oh and i don`t OC. __________________ Control Panel Settings & Options Edit Signature Last edited by belikethat : 26th Jun 2007 at 12:24 AM.

26th Jun 2007, 02:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
Max_87 h@x! Join Date: 11 Aug 2003 Location: Sarawak, Malaysia. Posts: 10,999 Reputation: 1809 Rep Power: 34	1. I've heard such rare issues before, but I've never experienced this problem before. If you want to be safe, bring your PC to the shop and test the card before you buy. 2. You just answered the question yourself . In your case, I doubt it'll even reach 5% (1 or 2% perhaps). 3. What are the memory clock speeds for both cards? Clock to clock, 128-bit memory interface has essentially twice the amount of memory bandwidth of 64-bit memory interface. I say go for the 9550, 64-bit memory interface is a serious bottleneck for the 6200. For example, 9600 (128-bit, 200MHz) vs 9600 SE (64-bit 200MHz) 9600: 128-bit/8200MHz2 = 6.4 GB/s 9600 SE: 64-bit/8200MHz2 = 3.2 GB/s __________________ Max_87 Tech ARP http://www.techarp.com Intel E8400 @ 4.2GHz / Abit IP35 Pro / G.Skill F2-8000CL5-4GBPQ / Radeon X1800 / Seagate 7200.9 120GB / 7200.10 320GBx2 / WD5000AAKS / Silverstone ST56F Last edited by Max_87 : 26th Jun 2007 at 03:03 AM.

26th Jun 2007, 04:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
belikethat I'm a regular Join Date: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 496 Reputation: 58 Rep Power: 3	guess it's down to these 2 card Galaxy/NVIDIA 5500 128 BIT,270 CPU http://www.galaxytech.com/Product_De...s1=2&class2=20 ASUS ATI RADEON 9550GE 256MB DDR 128bit 400MHz = RM185 http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...&model menu=2 something worried me in the 9600 series, Bus Standard for ONLY pro is "AGP8X", while others GE,SE and XT is "AGP8X/4X/2X" =/ __________________ Control Panel Settings & Options Edit Signature

26th Jun 2007, 09:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 26,125 Reputation: 3845 Rep Power: 70	8x and 4x are backward compatible. __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

26th Jun 2007, 09:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
Max_87 h@x! Join Date: 11 Aug 2003 Location: Sarawak, Malaysia. Posts: 10,999 Reputation: 1809 Rep Power: 34	Avoid the FX series at all cost, they totally suck compared to ATI counterparts. __________________ Max_87 Tech ARP http://www.techarp.com Intel E8400 @ 4.2GHz / Abit IP35 Pro / G.Skill F2-8000CL5-4GBPQ / Radeon X1800 / Seagate 7200.9 120GB / 7200.10 320GBx2 / WD5000AAKS / Silverstone ST56F

26th Jun 2007, 10:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
Trinity Little Kiki Join Date: 5 Jan 2003 Location: Ohio,usa Posts: 6,673 Reputation: 5071 Rep Power: 62	How about this. 7950AGP http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...SE#detailspecs __________________ E6600, P5B-D, 1Gbx2 Crucial PC2-8500, 7600GT, WD 500GbHDD Conroe Bay-Bee! (\__/) (-. - ) (> < )

26th Jun 2007, 01:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
belikethat I'm a regular Join Date: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 496 Reputation: 58 Rep Power: 3	7950 is way out my budget $229.99 x 3 = rm690 lol i will settle with asus9550GE, but if there a 9600, than it good but if there 6200 with 128 bit, than it will be even sweater lol __________________ Control Panel Settings & Options Edit Signature

26th Jun 2007, 05:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
CoolZone Just Started Join Date: 7 Dec 2006 Posts: 28 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	i encountered some problems when i tried to install an agp 8x card into an agp 4x kt133a mobo.it simply did not want to boot.

27th Jun 2007, 02:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
PowerSlide Super Active Join Date: 28 Aug 2004 Location: Penang, Malaysia Posts: 1,383 Reputation: 871 Rep Power: 14	agree with yong_grand go for the galaxy 7300GT..around RM300 to RM350 for a agp card..good value buy for now.. dun spend more on agp card nowdays..