ATI 4850 benchmark

[Mac Daddy]

Originally Posted by Chai

You are forgetting that 9800GTX can be overclocked too.

Am I? We are taking about the HD4850 and the Gainward Bliss 512 DDR3 both are 200 dollar cards. In fact you can pick up a decent 9600GT for between 125-150CAD here.

On the 8800GTX I don't know where that discussion started but Max posted I can't O/C this 9600GT to match the performance of a stock 8800GTX and he is wrong. What are the idle and load temps of an 8800GTX at stock settings? Mine are 26C and 34C respectively ...

[Chai]

Nope, I honestly don't think 9600GT can match 4850 even when it's overclocked. 4850 is faster than 9800GTX on most situation. It's almost as fast as 3870X2!

[Mac Daddy]

Originally Posted by Chai

Nope, I honestly don't think 9600GT can match 4850 even when it's overclocked. 4850 is faster than 9800GTX on most situation. It's almost as fast as 3870X2!

I disagree shall I do some benchmarks ?

Keep in mind we are talking in the 12k range on 3DMark6 right

[Max_87]

Originally Posted by Mac Daddy

Am I? We are taking about the HD4850 and the Gainward Bliss 512 DDR3 both are 200 dollar cards. In fact you can pick up a decent 9600GT for between 125-150CAD here.

On the 8800GTX I don't know where that discussion started but Max posted I can't O/C this 9600GT to match the performance of a stock 8800GTX and he is wrong. What are the idle and load temps of an 8800GTX at stock settings? Mine are 26C and 34C respectively ...

I said 9800GTX+, not 8800GTX I never mention anything about 8800GTX. In any case, an overclocked 9600GT is already having a hard time catching up a stock 8800GTX.

Seriously I really can't see how a 9600GT can match or come anywhere close to 9800GTX+/4850 level even after heavily overclocked. Like I said, 9800GTX+ is already 738/1836/1100 @ stock and the 9600GT you mention is 750/1900/950 overclocked, and it only has half the number of stream processors that 9800GTX+ has. It's impossible unless you really do some voltmod to 9600GT and overclock much further than that.

and FYI, 3DMark score is meaningless and doesn't reflect real world gaming performance at all. If you really want to do some tests, do it on games.

I disagree shall I do some benchmarks ?

Keep in mind we are talking in the 12k range on 3DMark6 right

This 9600GT at stock speeds on an E6550 scores close to 11k. And I can't match 11099 by O/Cing it? Lets put this card in PC Perspective's test system and I bet the score in 3DMark6 will be almost identical to the 4850.

You must understand that the 3DMark06 default test settings uses a pretty low resolution and without any AA/AF, which means the CPU is the major bottleneck. It's like comparing a mid range and high end card at 640x480 and getting almost the same results. I know that you are comparing the results of other setups with 8800GTS and getting almost the same result and you conclude that 9600GT can match those cards and even outperform them. Unfortunately that is not really the case.

Do some tests in Crysis/UT/COD4/etc at higher resolution, say 1920x1200. You will see 9600GT fell behind by a significant margin.

and I have to say again, 3DMark scores is really meaningless, other than bragging rights.

[Chai]

Yeah I rather trust benchmarks from website, they have the same configuration, and I can safely say all of them shows 4850 being faster than 9800GTX at high res/high detail settings. And 9800GTX+ will be the closest competitor to 4850, that's why we mentioned 9800GTX so many times.

[twkkhan]

US200 for DX 10.1 support and bleeding edge performance which can defeat nvidia 9 series gpu without a single sweat, it is a great buy. Nvidia's latest GTX series is nice too in terms of performance but the price is too high. Radeon 4000 series gpu seems attractive to me.
I regretted buying 3870 2 months ago which belongs to the same price point. If I knew about this, I would have postponed the buying.

I wish there would be DX 10.1 support in all DX 10 games so that 4xMSAA settings can be applied with lesser performance penalty. Unfortunately, there is only 1 DX 10.1 game - assassin creed.

[Lacus]

True..Only Assassin Creed has 10.1. Btw that 3870 of yours should work just fine...<--bought the 3870 3 days before 4850 was released

[ZuePhok]

9600gt can't touch 4850. that's for sure. even with the fastest factory overclocked card - the xfx XXX alpha doggy whatever edition.

4850 cant really beat the 9800GTX too. both are equal. side by side, neck to neck. having said that, my test was done with pre catalyst 8.6 driver. maybe with the latest 8.6 catalyst, 4850 might surpass 9800gtx in term of performance but i doubt that because i never believed in performance improvement through driver optimization, by a huge margin i mean (more than 3-4 frames).

4850 is a good card to buy. single slot, single power connector, shorter length, kind of like a mini geforce 9800gtx. best of all, no SLI chipset bullshit. grab a piece of P35 board, slap in two of this, whammm!! welcome to my mini core orgy. 1.6k unit of shader processors guys, and when they scream even Intel have to call these twin daddy.. and mind you, i've yet to push them onstage to show me some oc moves..

[ZuePhok]

what i'm very disappointed with the tests done by HW sites is the resolution configuration.

these guys jsut dun freaking get it. out of every 10 monitors that leaves the shelves, i can guarantee 8 of them run at 1680x1050 (or 1440x900) so why the fxxk did they run their benchmarks at at 1600x1200, 25x3975907 x 8972390457!? you only need two resolutions to settle everything! 1680x1050 for the sensible one, and 1900x1200 for those very rich dude. and since those can afford 4850 can't possibly have a 24inch LCD at home, 1680x1050 is what we need for the review of 4850. god damn it!

[Mac Daddy]

Originally Posted by Max_87

I said 9800GTX+, not 8800GTX I never mention anything about 8800GTX. In any case, an overclocked 9600GT is already having a hard time catching up a stock 8800GTX.

Seriously I really can't see how a 9600GT can match or come anywhere close to 9800GTX+/4850 level even after heavily overclocked. Like I said, 9800GTX+ is already 738/1836/1100 @ stock and the 9600GT you mention is 750/1900/950 overclocked, and it only has half the number of stream processors that 9800GTX+ has. It's impossible unless you really do some voltmod to 9600GT and overclock much further than that.

and FYI, 3DMark score is meaningless and doesn't reflect real world gaming performance at all. If you really want to do some tests, do it on games.





You must understand that the 3DMark06 default test settings uses a pretty low resolution and without any AA/AF, which means the CPU is the major bottleneck. It's like comparing a mid range and high end card at 640x480 and getting almost the same results. I know that you are comparing the results of other setups with 8800GTS and getting almost the same result and you conclude that 9600GT can match those cards and even outperform them. Unfortunately that is not really the case.

Do some tests in Crysis/UT/COD4/etc at higher resolution, say 1920x1200. You will see 9600GT fell behind by a significant margin.

and I have to say again, 3DMark scores is really meaningless, other than bragging rights.

Will do but keep in mind I am making an observation here and considering the price difference its apples and oranges. I'm not spending the extra money on a 9800GTX to test it out either. Especially considering it is using 4 year old technology. I will wait for something newer and cooler which is what the G94 GPU on the 9600gt is. On the other tests will run some but I can easily reach 12K on 3dmark6 used in the article posted ... and to be quite honest I never O/C this card to play games anyway. I don't need to !!