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Chai · 28th Jul 2003, 11:09 PM

Probably at 5200 range. Slower than Ti4200 slightly.

Mike · 29th Jul 2003, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishtim

Yep, I have all set to max quality, 4 & 8, I think AA goes to 16 also but I haven't tried it.

So, what do we conclude from this type (or any other) mark score?

Basically, running all that means a lower framerate. (on a R9800 you can't see it, but there is a difference). Basically, 3dmark will play the game demo, base your score on mainly the framerates you get. I'm sure if you turn off all that you'll get a score of around 15k+.

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Originally Posted by Chai

Probably at 5200 range. Slower than Ti4200 slightly.

Slightly? Not from what I've seen, FX5200's are only slightly better than a GF4 MX... Unless you take into account the FSAA and AA abilities. Even then it's still quite slow.

Chai · 29th Jul 2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazyman Mike

Slightly? Not from what I've seen, FX5200's are only slightly better than a GF4 MX... Unless you take into account the FSAA and AA abilities. Even then it's still quite slow.

Yes, I call 10-15 fps slightly. If you disagree, then I really dunno what to say...

goldfries · 29th Jul 2003, 12:26 PM

i think we need to be more specific about the FX5200

if not mistaken there's 3 variants
FX5200 non-ultra 64bit
FX5200 non-ultra 128bit
FX5200 Ultra

i believe the 'slightly slower than Ti4200' Chai referred to was the Ultra version. it's slower with AA/AF but almost or might be slightly ahead of TI4200 with AA/AF on.

IMO the FX5200 Ultra is a good budget card IF...again...IF the price is maintained around RM 300 range. however current pricing in M'sia for the Ultra is RM 750 (USD 180+?) is totally absurd, which i rather get me a Radeon 9600 Pro(RM 610 on web, but last i heard is RM 560) and save some cash.

here's an article on the 64bit and 128bit variants.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...416065424.html

so if you see a FX5200 non-ultra going cheap, check it first. some people on LYP forums bought it and tested and found out theirs is the 64bit version and it sucks.

Mike · 29th Jul 2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chai

Yes, I call 10-15 fps slightly. If you disagree, then I really dunno what to say...

Oh I do disagree. considering that 15 frames is the difference between playable and unplayable. e.g. 30 frames and 15 frames per sec. The so called 15FPS difference is blown out the window when you look @ some of the other benchmarks as well.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...0-5200-05.html

Chai · 29th Jul 2003, 02:25 PM

I knew you would answer me that...fine...as I've said, I have nothing else to say. Wait...Maybe I should rephrase. It's 20% slower not 10fps slower. Because at higher res, Ti4200 will drop at a similar rate. So with your 30 fps vs 15 fps, it's not valid anymore. It would probably be 30fps vs 25fps, or 20fps vs 15fps. To be honest, if the frame rate is only at 15fps, drop the resolution, reduce detail. Simple as that.

And one more thing, you can disagree with me, but everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. When I upgrade, I expect at least 100% improvement over my old card. Let's say R9100 vs Ti4200. Ti4200 is 10%-50% faster than R9100, but even if it's only US$25 difference, I would pick R9100. There's only one reason, because my budget is not limitless. If you wanna pay extra US$25 for that extra 15fps, fine. It's not my money.

And just incase there's more confusion, I'm talking about R9100 vs Ti4200, not 5200.

I was answering Neo's question.

goldfries · 29th Jul 2003, 02:50 PM

erm. yeah well basically. if you know the resolution you're going to play with at and you know the card's capabilities it really makes sense on going R9100 instead of Ti4200.

going by budget is always the right move. buy the best price/performance ratio card your cash can afford.

in my book it's still R9100, Ti4200 and R9600 Pro(sub RM 650) and R9500 Pro.

however my opinion is based on price/performance without considering OC/modded performance.

Mike · 29th Jul 2003, 06:02 PM

Heh, quick to bring the radeon into the discussion aren't ya? Out of points are we? Seriously though, there are absolutly no points good about a FX5200. Sure if may be 5fps than 4200 when compared with 4xFSAA and 8xAA on but the framerate is so low with that stuff on there's really no point in using it.

Since you called it quits already, I will too. Look forward to the next battle, whenever it may be

Chai · 29th Jul 2003, 10:57 PM

If you are looking for the trolling thread, please check here. I wouldn't want to ruin a nice discussion here.

http://forums.rojakpot.com/viewtopic...685&highlight=

athlonxp · 2nd Aug 2003, 11:23 PM

RIPLEY BELIEVE IT OR NOT.....

my leadtek gf2mx score 45xx 3Dmark01se on my 1800mhz AXP!!!!
unbelieveable.....??? believe it!!

it was vmod to 2.5v from default 1.888v

, agp voltage at 1.8v

, external +5v power supply to the voltage regulator, custom make ramsink, voltage regulator heatsink(custom make) and drilled amd hs for the core

core - 240mhz
mem - 265mhz (hynix 5ns)

i think it was the most sucessful vmod to me

i will post the 3dmark score to futuremak.com later coz the card now is in a box, i m using the gf4ti now

28th Jul 2003, 11:09 PM	#41 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 28,124 Reputation: 4649 Rep Power: 82	Probably at 5200 range. Slower than Ti4200 slightly. __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

29th Jul 2003, 12:26 PM	#44 (permalink)
goldfries www.goldfries.com Join Date: 22 Jan 2003 Location: KL/PJ Malaysia Posts: 7,966 Reputation: 539 Rep Power: 20	i think we need to be more specific about the FX5200 if not mistaken there's 3 variants FX5200 non-ultra 64bit FX5200 non-ultra 128bit FX5200 Ultra i believe the 'slightly slower than Ti4200' Chai referred to was the Ultra version. it's slower with AA/AF but almost or might be slightly ahead of TI4200 with AA/AF on. IMO the FX5200 Ultra is a good budget card IF...again...IF the price is maintained around RM 300 range. however current pricing in M'sia for the Ultra is RM 750 (USD 180+?) is totally absurd, which i rather get me a Radeon 9600 Pro(RM 610 on web, but last i heard is RM 560) and save some cash. here's an article on the 64bit and 128bit variants. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...416065424.html so if you see a FX5200 non-ultra going cheap, check it first. some people on LYP forums bought it and tested and found out theirs is the 64bit version and it sucks. __________________ no computer specs \| no photography gear list \| no userbars \| no quotes

29th Jul 2003, 02:25 PM	#46 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 28,124 Reputation: 4649 Rep Power: 82	I knew you would answer me that...fine...as I've said, I have nothing else to say. Wait...Maybe I should rephrase. It's 20% slower not 10fps slower. Because at higher res, Ti4200 will drop at a similar rate. So with your 30 fps vs 15 fps, it's not valid anymore. It would probably be 30fps vs 25fps, or 20fps vs 15fps. To be honest, if the frame rate is only at 15fps, drop the resolution, reduce detail. Simple as that. And one more thing, you can disagree with me, but everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. When I upgrade, I expect at least 100% improvement over my old card. Let's say R9100 vs Ti4200. Ti4200 is 10%-50% faster than R9100, but even if it's only US$25 difference, I would pick R9100. There's only one reason, because my budget is not limitless. If you wanna pay extra US$25 for that extra 15fps, fine. It's not my money. And just incase there's more confusion, I'm talking about R9100 vs Ti4200, not 5200. I was answering Neo's question. __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

29th Jul 2003, 02:50 PM	#47 (permalink)
goldfries www.goldfries.com Join Date: 22 Jan 2003 Location: KL/PJ Malaysia Posts: 7,966 Reputation: 539 Rep Power: 20	erm. yeah well basically. if you know the resolution you're going to play with at and you know the card's capabilities it really makes sense on going R9100 instead of Ti4200. going by budget is always the right move. buy the best price/performance ratio card your cash can afford. in my book it's still R9100, Ti4200 and R9600 Pro(sub RM 650) and R9500 Pro. however my opinion is based on price/performance without considering OC/modded performance. __________________ no computer specs \| no photography gear list \| no userbars \| no quotes

29th Jul 2003, 06:02 PM	#48 (permalink)
Mike Active Join Date: 8 Jun 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 949 Reputation: 67 Rep Power: 7	Heh, quick to bring the radeon into the discussion aren't ya? Out of points are we? Seriously though, there are absolutly no points good about a FX5200. Sure if may be 5fps than 4200 when compared with 4xFSAA and 8xAA on but the framerate is so low with that stuff on there's really no point in using it. Since you called it quits already, I will too. Look forward to the next battle, whenever it may be __________________ Mike Z Watercooled Aria SFF \| D Rig \| Ghetto Fanless Desktop

29th Jul 2003, 10:57 PM	#49 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 28,124 Reputation: 4649 Rep Power: 82	If you are looking for the trolling thread, please check here. I wouldn't want to ruin a nice discussion here. http://forums.rojakpot.com/viewtopic...685&highlight= __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

2nd Aug 2003, 11:23 PM	#50 (permalink)
athlonxp Hyperactive Join Date: 21 Feb 2003 Location: Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia Posts: 4,560 Reputation: 347 Rep Power: 15	RIPLEY BELIEVE IT OR NOT..... my leadtek gf2mx score 45xx 3Dmark01se on my 1800mhz AXP!!!! unbelieveable.....??? believe it!! it was vmod to 2.5v from default 1.888v , agp voltage at 1.8v , external +5v power supply to the voltage regulator, custom make ramsink, voltage regulator heatsink(custom make) and drilled amd hs for the core core - 240mhz mem - 265mhz (hynix 5ns) i think it was the most sucessful vmod to me i will post the 3dmark score to futuremak.com later coz the card now is in a box, i m using the gf4ti now __________________