ADSL Modem with routing capability...

peaz · 28th Nov 2002, 03:34 AM

Routing capability in ADSL modem. Does this mean i don't need an ADSL Router???

I say this in discussion over at dxpose forum here http://www.dxpose.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=778

It was a pretty interesting read. The main modem in question there is the Aztech 900EB2 (the one i had before it died because of lightning...now replaced with a Hyundai Networks HASE 220.)

So i checked out my current adsl modem's specs here http://english.speedxess.net/product.../HASE-220.html
and seems that it could be upgraded with a ROM Flash to include routing software...

Hmmm.... Then again, I should get a full fledge router with NAT and Firewall capabilities right?

What do you guys think??

The benefits i heard of having a router is that the bandwidth is allocated more equally among the sharing users right? I'm having 6 pcs sharing streamyx's 384kpbs bandwidth. Using ICS... it always seems like 1st come 1st serve. so it's not really fair for some other users. I heard a router would solve the problem.

Secondly, the built in Firewall and multiple IPs is nice to have when sharing internet connections

Anything else???

PY 222 · 28th Nov 2002, 09:50 AM

Hmmm... maybe you all should have a Networking Forum around this parts but anyway Tech Support will do it.

Well let me start my long-winded story. I too have ADSL service over here in Cali, US and I am using a SpeedStream modem. This modem does not come with any routing capabilities and so I route it trough a modem that has WAN capabilities and also acts as a router/switch. The router that I got was a LinkSys. Here is the URL for it: http://www.linksys.com/Products/prod...23&prid=20

Its got all the goodies that you might need. NAT, firewall, DHCP, static routing, dynamic routing, port forwarding, filters and a DMZ host. So I don't think you will ever go wrong with a router box.

I have the DSL modem in my room along with the router box right next to it. From there, the router box is connected to 2 computers and another port is being directed to the second room via Cat5 to another Linksys 5 port hub. There, it is connected to 4 computers.

From what I can tell, no one computer hogs up the bandwith on our pipe and its shared evenly among the 6 computers in the apartment. So it will be a great idea to setup your network configuration like that. But of course, price will be a little steep because of the hub and the router box along with several lines of Cat5.

Just my 2 1/2 cents

peaz · 28th Nov 2002, 09:59 AM

Well, I've told chai that we need a networking section

it should be up soon!

Anyway, That's the exact same router that I'm aiming to get... anyway, i guess 1mb ROM for routing software just isn't enough for a full fledge router la.

My house here is already equipped with a 5 port 10/100 switch and thanks to Jeremy, a whole bunch of cat 5 cables.... and his 12 port 10 Hub

So now with the linksys router with a 4 port switch.. i can uplink the switch to the rounter's built-in switch and share it all among the 6 pcs!

PY 222 · 28th Nov 2002, 10:01 AM

Do you know how much the router cost in Malaysia?

Chai · 28th Nov 2002, 08:28 PM

LOL! Jeremy was complaining there're too many sections when I started the forum. Majority wins.

I created a networking section.

peaz · 28th Nov 2002, 10:55 PM

Router ah??? About Rm380++ kua around there now. That's for LinkSys ... there are cheaper brands around 300 but quality wise...

Punkychan · 15th Dec 2002, 08:19 PM

I suggest better use a router with WAN as PY222 had mentioned.But before purchasing make sure what is the max speed of that router is capable of ., because if your ISP is upgrading then you might have to throw that one and buy a new faster ones. Be sure to check it first.I remember back home (Seremban) few years ago running 56K was the happiest thing in my llife (at that time) but now residing in Japan, the slowest speed is ADSL 1.5Mbps.The ISPs even give you the advantage of upgrading your speed up to 100Mbps with just a little extra (50 USD a month + phone line 24/7)but the problem is whenever there is an upgrading , I have to purchase a new router.This is because the old one is not capable running at the speed given by ISP.But I think back home shouldn't be much of a problem...whats the DSL speed there now ? and I've heard of StreamyX..whats that ? Another ISP besides the Telekom ?

Adrian Wong · 15th Dec 2002, 09:05 PM

Wow! That's really nice... 1.5Mbps ADSL!

100Mbps for USD 50 a month???!!! Man, that's DIRT cheap! Is hosting in Japan cheap? Cause we are in need of a host with tons of cheap bandwidth.

Telekom's Internet division has finally split off the monopoly to form TMNet (http://www.tm.net.my/online/index.html). Probably to prepare for AFTA. But it's still under the Telekom Malaysia Group. Heh...

Streamyx is TMNet's xDSL offering. Consumer lines start at ADSL 384/128 for RM 88 (USD 23) + modem rental of RM 23 (USD 6). While no one gets close to 384kbps, I think most users should get around 41KB/s or about 330kbps. Nothing compared to your 1.5Mbps ADSL but a lot better than our old 56K dialups.

Chai · 15th Dec 2002, 10:03 PM

40KB/sec is pretty good already. Because of the overhead, you will never get the rated speed by ISP.

wow, 1.5Mbps for only US50!!! Getting jealous man...

Adrian Wong · 15th Dec 2002, 10:25 PM

Yup! The mileage varies, depending on your line quality and the distance to the nearest server. But a real miracle, compared to 56K dialups!

One thing though... our latency (ping) seems to be very high. When I ping rojakpot.com, I get times ranging from 500ms to 1500ms. Very high latency. Pings to microsoft.com timed out completely.

28th Nov 2002, 03:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
peaz ARP Webmaster Join Date: 13 Oct 2002 Location: http://atpeaz.placidthoughts.com/ Posts: 8,584 Reputation: 1673 Rep Power: 32	ADSL Modem with routing capability... Routing capability in ADSL modem. Does this mean i don't need an ADSL Router??? I say this in discussion over at dxpose forum here http://www.dxpose.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=778 It was a pretty interesting read. The main modem in question there is the Aztech 900EB2 (the one i had before it died because of lightning...now replaced with a Hyundai Networks HASE 220.) So i checked out my current adsl modem's specs here http://english.speedxess.net/product.../HASE-220.html and seems that it could be upgraded with a ROM Flash to include routing software... Hmmm.... Then again, I should get a full fledge router with NAT and Firewall capabilities right? What do you guys think?? The benefits i heard of having a router is that the bandwidth is allocated more equally among the sharing users right? I'm having 6 pcs sharing streamyx's 384kpbs bandwidth. Using ICS... it always seems like 1st come 1st serve. so it's not really fair for some other users. I heard a router would solve the problem. Secondly, the built in Firewall and multiple IPs is nice to have when sharing internet connections Anything else??? __________________ Ken Ng Tech ARP Follow me at Twitter Shoot and Earn Money from Stock Photography

28th Nov 2002, 09:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
PY 222 DF King Join Date: 10 Oct 2002 Location: Look behind you! Posts: 3,080 Reputation: 24 Rep Power: 11	Hmmm... maybe you all should have a Networking Forum around this parts but anyway Tech Support will do it. Well let me start my long-winded story. I too have ADSL service over here in Cali, US and I am using a SpeedStream modem. This modem does not come with any routing capabilities and so I route it trough a modem that has WAN capabilities and also acts as a router/switch. The router that I got was a LinkSys. Here is the URL for it: http://www.linksys.com/Products/prod...23&prid=20 Its got all the goodies that you might need. NAT, firewall, DHCP, static routing, dynamic routing, port forwarding, filters and a DMZ host. So I don't think you will ever go wrong with a router box. I have the DSL modem in my room along with the router box right next to it. From there, the router box is connected to 2 computers and another port is being directed to the second room via Cat5 to another Linksys 5 port hub. There, it is connected to 4 computers. From what I can tell, no one computer hogs up the bandwith on our pipe and its shared evenly among the 6 computers in the apartment. So it will be a great idea to setup your network configuration like that. But of course, price will be a little steep because of the hub and the router box along with several lines of Cat5. Just my 2 1/2 cents __________________ Signature is currently disabled. Please contact the Administrator for more information.

28th Nov 2002, 09:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
peaz ARP Webmaster Join Date: 13 Oct 2002 Location: http://atpeaz.placidthoughts.com/ Posts: 8,584 Reputation: 1673 Rep Power: 32	Well, I've told chai that we need a networking section it should be up soon! Anyway, That's the exact same router that I'm aiming to get... anyway, i guess 1mb ROM for routing software just isn't enough for a full fledge router la. My house here is already equipped with a 5 port 10/100 switch and thanks to Jeremy, a whole bunch of cat 5 cables.... and his 12 port 10 Hub So now with the linksys router with a 4 port switch.. i can uplink the switch to the rounter's built-in switch and share it all among the 6 pcs! __________________ Ken Ng Tech ARP Follow me at Twitter Shoot and Earn Money from Stock Photography

28th Nov 2002, 10:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
PY 222 DF King Join Date: 10 Oct 2002 Location: Look behind you! Posts: 3,080 Reputation: 24 Rep Power: 11	Do you know how much the router cost in Malaysia? __________________ Signature is currently disabled. Please contact the Administrator for more information.

28th Nov 2002, 08:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 27,884 Reputation: 4630 Rep Power: 81	LOL! Jeremy was complaining there're too many sections when I started the forum. Majority wins. I created a networking section. __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

28th Nov 2002, 10:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
peaz ARP Webmaster Join Date: 13 Oct 2002 Location: http://atpeaz.placidthoughts.com/ Posts: 8,584 Reputation: 1673 Rep Power: 32	Router ah??? About Rm380++ kua around there now. That's for LinkSys ... there are cheaper brands around 300 but quality wise... __________________ Ken Ng Tech ARP Follow me at Twitter Shoot and Earn Money from Stock Photography

15th Dec 2002, 08:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Punkychan Just Started Join Date: 3 Dec 2002 Posts: 36 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	I suggest better use a router with WAN as PY222 had mentioned.But before purchasing make sure what is the max speed of that router is capable of ., because if your ISP is upgrading then you might have to throw that one and buy a new faster ones. Be sure to check it first.I remember back home (Seremban) few years ago running 56K was the happiest thing in my llife (at that time) but now residing in Japan, the slowest speed is ADSL 1.5Mbps.The ISPs even give you the advantage of upgrading your speed up to 100Mbps with just a little extra (50 USD a month + phone line 24/7)but the problem is whenever there is an upgrading , I have to purchase a new router.This is because the old one is not capable running at the speed given by ISP.But I think back home shouldn't be much of a problem...whats the DSL speed there now ? and I've heard of StreamyX..whats that ? Another ISP besides the Telekom ? __________________ Engineering AMD based solutions to spec for discerning clients ( water-cooling an option )

15th Dec 2002, 09:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
Adrian Wong Da Boss Join Date: 10 Oct 2002 Location: In front of my ASUS F8V notebook! Posts: 32,299 Reputation: 3574 Rep Power: 75	Wow! That's really nice... 1.5Mbps ADSL! 100Mbps for USD 50 a month???!!! Man, that's DIRT cheap! Is hosting in Japan cheap? Cause we are in need of a host with tons of cheap bandwidth. Telekom's Internet division has finally split off the monopoly to form TMNet (http://www.tm.net.my/online/index.html). Probably to prepare for AFTA. But it's still under the Telekom Malaysia Group. Heh... Streamyx is TMNet's xDSL offering. Consumer lines start at ADSL 384/128 for RM 88 (USD 23) + modem rental of RM 23 (USD 6). While no one gets close to 384kbps, I think most users should get around 41KB/s or about 330kbps. Nothing compared to your 1.5Mbps ADSL but a lot better than our old 56K dialups. __________________ Dr. Adrian Wong Tech ARP \| Blog @ Tech ARP \| The Free Trade Zone DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank? We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer! My items for sale : 50x SD Card \| Memory Stick PRO \| Cyclone Energy Saver \| Seiko SS watch \| Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs \| Travel Speakers \| Motorola V600 \| Nokia N90 SOLD! \| New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 \| Swarovski bracelet watches \| Dell 17" LCD \| Hi-Fi speakers \| English DIVX movies \| HP LaserJet toners! \| Office chairs

15th Dec 2002, 10:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 27,884 Reputation: 4630 Rep Power: 81	40KB/sec is pretty good already. Because of the overhead, you will never get the rated speed by ISP. wow, 1.5Mbps for only US50!!! Getting jealous man... __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

15th Dec 2002, 10:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
Adrian Wong Da Boss Join Date: 10 Oct 2002 Location: In front of my ASUS F8V notebook! Posts: 32,299 Reputation: 3574 Rep Power: 75	Yup! The mileage varies, depending on your line quality and the distance to the nearest server. But a real miracle, compared to 56K dialups! One thing though... our latency (ping) seems to be very high. When I ping rojakpot.com, I get times ranging from 500ms to 1500ms. Very high latency. Pings to microsoft.com timed out completely. __________________ Dr. Adrian Wong Tech ARP \| Blog @ Tech ARP \| The Free Trade Zone DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank? We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer! My items for sale : 50x SD Card \| Memory Stick PRO \| Cyclone Energy Saver \| Seiko SS watch \| Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs \| Travel Speakers \| Motorola V600 \| Nokia N90 SOLD! \| New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 \| Swarovski bracelet watches \| Dell 17" LCD \| Hi-Fi speakers \| English DIVX movies \| HP LaserJet toners! \| Office chairs