The Perpetual F1 Thread!

[Chai]

Yeah I think they clearly broke the rules, and there's performance advantage having a lighter car. If they can appeal against the stewards decision for this, then they shouldn't have strip Williams Canada 2003 race with oversized brake ducts... And that didn't even give any performance advantage...

[Adrian Wong]

Hmm.. The oversized ducts allow for better reliability. So, I guess they allowed Williams to push their cars (and brakes) further than they would have with smaller brake ducts.

But yeah, the lighter weight instantly gives the car a better power-to-weight ratio.

[Chai]

Yup, that's my point. The oversized brake ducts only allowed them to push further, increasing the reliability of the brakes, but does not directly affect the speed of the car. On the other hand, having an underweighted car will affect the performance DIRECTLY.

[mahakanjus]

i think oversized brake ducts gave advantage coz Canada is a heavy braking circuit.

[Chai]

Originally Posted by mahakanjus

i think oversized brake ducts gave advantage coz Canada is a heavy braking circuit.

What I'm trying to say that using bigger brake ducts does not affect the performance directly, only increase the reliability. Whether it gave any advantages, I have no idea. They may work with small ducts, maybe Williams was playing safe? Who knows?

[bizkid21]

Originally Posted by mahakanjus

BAR Honda = SUPER CHEATING TEAM

but then even with underweight car JB cannot match MS who was on a full tank of fuel.

revision to my statement...

BAR HONDA = LOUSY TEAM TRIED TO CHEAT CANNOT WIN! = LOSER!

if u said BAR Honda is a super cheating team,then ferrari will be a super huge cheating team since every team in F1 had agreed of reduced testing to 30 days but only ferrari didnt follow and keep on testing in their private circuit,then we can said tat the F2005 car is a cheated car.

it was not surprised me tat ferrari can hav such pace in Imola since the had done so many private testing in mugello and fiorano,if they still cant improve their pace then they should go bang the wall

mayb u can said that jenson's car will have the advantage over the race in these case, but since the car is over the limit weight then i don't see he have any advantage in the race, the car is over the limit weight and it still heavy to drive and same with all others cars,so it wont help to improve the speed. since the stewards also accepted the explanation then clearly tat BAR Honda didn't broke the rules and definetely no penalty will go to them although stupid FIA still wan to appeal.

the case happened in williams at canadian gp last year is not the same case,coz the circuit is a highly braking demand circuit and when ur car have a bigger brake ducts then definetely ur car can brake well in the corner and then the car will go much quicker.

Go Go BAR Honda...

Ferrari = A DAM LOUSY RICH TEAM WHICH ALWAYS CHEAT BUT CANNOT WIN! = BIG LOSER!

[TechZ]

thats kind of rough dont you think?

Ferrari are using their assets to their advantage IMO, yes they need to cut back, but theyre not exactly cheating.

[ZuePhok]

wow..just one day and it becomes like this...

keep it going..keep it going...SONG!

haha..typical la...always point out others bad record so that they can hide theirs

MS couldn't even overtake alonso who was driving a detuned engine

[Chai]

Originally Posted by bizkid21

if u said BAR Honda is a super cheating team,then ferrari will be a super huge cheating team since every team in F1 had agreed of reduced testing to 30 days but only ferrari didnt follow and keep on testing in their private circuit,then we can said tat the F2005 car is a cheated car.

it was not surprised me tat ferrari can hav such pace in Imola since the had done so many private testing in mugello and fiorano,if they still cant improve their pace then they should go bang the wall

mayb u can said that jenson's car will have the advantage over the race in these case, but since the car is over the limit weight then i don't see he have any advantage in the race, the car is over the limit weight and it still heavy to drive and same with all others cars,so it wont help to improve the speed. since the stewards also accepted the explanation then clearly tat BAR Honda didn't broke the rules and definetely no penalty will go to them although stupid FIA still wan to appeal.

the case happened in williams at canadian gp last year is not the same case,coz the circuit is a highly braking demand circuit and when ur car have a bigger brake ducts then definetely ur car can brake well in the corner and then the car will go much quicker.

Go Go BAR Honda...

Ferrari = A DAM LOUSY RICH TEAM WHICH ALWAYS CHEAT BUT CANNOT WIN! = BIG LOSER!

If you think all the Ferrari's pace come from the recent testing alone, then you are probably very naive. F2005 is a decent car from the beginning. Just look at Bahrain's pace before MS retired. Their testing involves mostly tyre testing, reliability testing and minor refinement. And don't forget, Bridgestone always excel in cooler conditions, and in the past few years, Ferrari has always dominated the track, and still dominated in 2005 in terms of race pace. Yes, Ferrari's pace at Imola isn't surprising, but that's not completely due to recent heavy testing.

Oh yeah, Jenson did complain about the car handled crappy with heavy fuel load, so when the car is light, the underweighted car shows even more advantage, isn't it?

If you say Ferrari is cheating, then FIA would take necessary action against Ferrari too, but they didn't.

Zuephok: If you don't want to contribute to the discussion and keep trolling in this thread, I won't hesitate to delete your posts. You are honestly nothing but a troll in this thread.

[ZuePhok]

Originally Posted by Chai

If you think all the Ferrari's pace come from the recent testing alone, then you are probably very naive. F2005 is a decent car from the beginning. Just look at Bahrain's pace before MS retired. Their testing involves mostly tyre testing, reliability testing and minor refinement. And don't forget, Bridgestone always excel in cooler conditions, and in the past few years, Ferrari has always dominated the track, and still dominated in 2005 in terms of race pace. Yes, Ferrari's pace at Imola isn't surprising, but that's not completely due to recent heavy testing.

Oh yeah, Jenson did complain about the car handled crappy with heavy fuel load, so when the car is light, the underweighted car shows even more advantage, isn't it?

If you say Ferrari is cheating, then FIA would take necessary action against Ferrari too, but they didn't.

Zuephok: If you don't want to contribute to the discussion and keep trolling in this thread, I won't hesitate to delete your posts. You are honestly nothing but a troll in this thread.

go ahead dude Im not worried..
cuz I can't differentiate it when it comes to one eye seeing..