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[wiiz]

He's lucky that Vodafone being nice to turn down his offer to pay the legal expenses. He could be losing millions instead of pocketing $150m.

JORDAN LEGAL CASE 'FALSE'
2003-08-04 17:52:00

A High Court judge has branded Jordan’s lawsuit against Vodafone "without foundation and false".

Mr Justice Langley decided to make his judgement public on Monday afternoon, despite the fact that Jordan abandoned the case on Friday.

Jordan had claimed that Vodafone reneged on a verbal agreement to sponsor the team in 2001. They were seeking around $150m in damages.

The judge said there was an "inherent improbability of an agreement of such a nature for payments of such a size being made in such a manner."

He added: "Jordan's claim was in my judgment plainly demonstrated to be without foundation and false."

Langley criticised Jordan for calling off the case in the hope that his judgement would not become public.

Speaking on Friday, he said their attempts to end the case were "designed to create a serious injustice which this court should not tolerate.

"Vodafone is entitled to know the court's conclusions and the media also has a legitimate public interest in being informed of the outcome of the matter."

Jordan had volunteered to pay Vodafone's legal expenses but it is understood the mobile phone company has turned the offer down.

Eddie Jordan reacted to the judgement by defending his team’s right to bring the action.

He said: "When Jordan began this action, we thought we had a deal and believed we had a good case. However, the judge sees it differently and preferred their evidence to ours.

"Litigation is risky and unpredictable and we have always been prepared for the possibility that this might not go our way.

"It’s now time to move on and devote our full attention to the team and its future."

[Mike]

verbal agreements... that's a joke. they never hold up in court.

oh and Chai, I think the lack of sucess in Ferrari is mainly due to the fact Bridgestone is losing its edge. We're seeing the old routine. Bridgestone knocked Good Year out of F1. If those Michelins become even better, I wouldn't be supprised if they become the sole F1 tyre provider like Bridgestone did in 2001 and 2002. That's the other factor in Ferrari's success. Everyone else had to use Bridgestone as well when Good Year left the game and Ferrari had a head start cause they used it the year before and had lots of data to play around with.

[Chai]

That's true Mike. But the biggest problem for Ferrari is that they recently signed contract with Bridgestone to extend till 2006 I think. That would make matter a lot worse for Ferrari.

But I wouldn't blame everything on Bridgestone, Ferrari themselves are struggling IMO. How can they, from the most dominant team in F1 history, and now barely struggling to stay in front of his closest rivals...because of tyre alone? Very hard to say, since we have no prove, or some sort of comparison with another top team, but there's no other Bridgestone in the top 10.

Really sad if Ferrari lose the championship because of tyre issue...

[Mike]

another great race for the season! Hungarian GP over, championship as close as ever! Michael Schumacher is leading by 1 point over Montoya who is leading Raikonnen by 1 point. Even Ralf is still in with a chance.

I never would have thought Kimi can get back into it but looks like he has. I still doubt he is mature enough to win the championship but let's just wait and see. I'm betting on Montoya... he's my prediction to be champ.

[Chai]

Great race? Hmm...the whole race is dominated by Alonso, thanks to Webber for holding the rest of the field. Luckily, both Williamses dropped down the field in the first 2 corners. Otherwise, the race would have been even more boring...

IMO, both Montoya and Raikkonen are not championship material this season. In fact, none of them is, none of them perform consistently well! MS is the closest, since he has most victories this season, but he's dropping to mid field level! Maybe I should say Ferrari dropping instead of him.

I'm really sad to see Ferrari losing pace, I don't really know why, could be tyres, could be the team.

[Mike]

Montoya has always been too random. He's used to the biff from Indy car and either goes hard or doesn't go for it @ all. He's had plenty of engine failures too. Anyway, it's now time for him to get serious about his racing. Usually if he's not a championship contender he just doesn't bother with trying to conserve points in races and goes hard. If I can't win, I won't try, probably true to a certain extent.

After that race time I think he was more cautious than usual. Probably seeing a possible championship in his grasp and trying to get max points rather than going for wins.

[Chai]

Yeah, that's what I meant. They are not consistent enough to be world champion. But this is not the first time happening in F1 though. During the 80s, Keke Rosberg won WDC with just 1 win!

I just don't agree with his opinion. He said that he will only look at the 'current' race, and not looking forward to WDC title yet. This already proved that he's not a champion material yet. But that's my opinion. Unlike MS, he never gives up until he's mathematically impossible to win. This is why he's a 5 times WDC, not an easy task, just look at this year's Ferrari. Things can turn around in just a few races.

I'm never a Montoya fan. I don't like his attitude. He's quite arrogant, bad tempered (thanks to the Latin culture). I don't like most of his overtaking moves, it's never totally clean, especially the ones on MS, like Brazil 2001, forcing MS onto the grass if he doesn't brake.

[Mike]

well, sometimes a bit of arrogance is all it takes to be a fan of his.

he's the type of person u either like or hate. no middle ground. also, schumy was the one who forced montoya off in brazil, not the way u described it

[Chai]

True, and you could say the same thing about MS, like him or hate him! But I still disagree with you regarding that overtaking in Brazil. Have you seen a replay of the overtaking? Montoya forced him to brake when exiting the corner, leaving absolutely no room for MS. I will post a video.

Well, if you said that MS didn't give him enough room, that should be at the apex, both of them got thru cleanly, but not the exiting of the 1st corner. MS clearly had to brake and Coulthard almost overtook MS at the same time!

http://www.rojakpot.com/Chai/montoya.avi

This year's Nurburgring is different, Schumi understeered towards him, so I wouldn't say it wasn't clean.

[Mike]

Mate, I'm still on dialup and will download that when I got some more time

Nurburgring wasn't anyone's fault, schumacher simple made a mistake as rare as it may be.

I like Schumy, but i like Montoya also. Actually, there are very few drivers whom I dislike. I'm quite indifferent towards the McLaren drivers and most of the other teams. Dislikes include Villneuve (however u spell it) and Button. I find them blaming their machines more than themselves. Then again they drive for BAR so maybe they have the right to do that. Irvine was also one of my dislikes

Barrachello is the biggest gentleman driver around! He deserves that award hands down. His over taking is very clean and skillfully setup. Take silverstone for example. But... he's either on the pace or not at all depending on the track. That's probably why he's never really in championship contention.