The Perpetual F1 Thread! - Page 54

Chai · 25th Aug 2003, 11:28 PM

The video is only 400KB big. I've already compressed it, using Divx 5.05.

I wouldn't say MS made a mistake. He clearly wanted to defend his position, but his car is just too slow, pushing a little harder. If Montoya was not there, he would have made that corner easily.

I do not dislike any drivers, except for Montoya. Before his F1 entry, he was pretty arrogant, saying that everyone is beatable, but so far, in a fastest car on track, he is only capable of winning 2 races (3 if you include Monza 2001), and that's because Ralf had an accident in Hockenheim. Even Ralf has more wins. And I will never forget 'hitting a cameraman' incident, swearing f***ing idiot for at least 5 times in 20 secs, and it was his fault!

lung · 26th Aug 2003, 02:53 PM

Hitting a cameraman? Montoya did that? Video, please?

I agree with Chai. I don't know why, but I have the 'arrogant' feeling towards Montoya. I hope he doesn't win the championship... (My bet is on Raikkonen!)

MS and Ferrari... I have no idea what's happening to them, but they sure are getting more and more disappointing (especially MS). It even seems to me that Barichello is driving better than MS! Especially the grand prix last weekend. Too bad a suspension failure put him out of the race

I'm sure it's not the car... I think it may be the tyres. Or the drivers

And say... What's happening to Mclaren's new car?

Chai · 26th Aug 2003, 05:19 PM

Yeah, while he was walking behind the pits. I will post the video tonight.

Typical Latin temper...

drab · 26th Aug 2003, 06:36 PM

Look at the hungarian,chai.only bridgestone runner in the points?ferrari.championship is getting verry interesting

wiiz · 10th Sep 2003, 10:37 AM

is it all down to tyre factor? or it's just the other team make a lot of improvement compare to ferrari?

by the way, has this thread lost its perpetuality?

Mike · 10th Sep 2003, 11:08 AM

not really... just waiting for the next round before we got anything else to talk about.

Chai · 10th Sep 2003, 11:59 AM

Does anyone follow the Michelin tyre controversy?

Mike · 10th Sep 2003, 12:32 PM

not familiar with it. care to explain?

Chai · 10th Sep 2003, 12:57 PM

FIA, or some people say Ferrari, launched an attack on Michelin, suspecting their front tyres exceeded the limit set by the FIA. The way the tyre works is very unique. When the tyre is brand new, the tyre width is 270mm, but as the tyre wear more and more, the 'side wall' becomes part of the tyre contacting surface! So by the end of the race, the tyre exceeded 270mm. As you know, more tyre contact area = more grip.

Michelin said that the rule was not clear, stating that a new front tyre must be 270mm wide, but did not state that worn tyres should comply with the rule. So it started all the controversy.

Now the case is settled, Michelin will have to use new tyres to comply with the rule, must be 270mm wide before used and after used.

The reason why it became controversial is because Ferrari is struggling now, and Ferrari complained to FIA. As usual, Ross Brawn said something stupid to the public, but I forgot what he said.

That could explain why the Bridgestone runners are struggling. Now Monza will be an exciting race, hope it's not a dominant race again...

wiiz · 10th Sep 2003, 01:05 PM

here what alonso said about this tyre contoversy

Quote:

Renault's Fernando Alonso has accused Ferrari of being sore losers after they claimed Michelin were using illegal tyres.

Following the Hungarian GP Ferrari lodged a complaint to the FIA over suspicions that the Michelin front tyres exceeded the 270mm maximum tread width.

As a result the FIA have brought out a new rule from the Italian GP onwards that will mean tyres are now measured after the race as well as before.

But Alonso, who became the youngest winner of an F1 race at last month?s Hungarian race, believes Ferrari raised the issue because they are simply bad losers.

He told the TZ: "The Michelin tyres function better this season than the Bridgestone it's as simple as that.

"I find this situation comical. When Schumacher, Ferrari and Bridgestone win everything no one complains about their tyres. Now that Michael and Ferrari are losing, it's a drama."

Ferrari currently trail Williams in the constructors? championship by eight points while driver Michael Schumacher has seen his lead in the drivers? battle reduced to just one point over Williams? Juan Pablo Montoya.

oh... Chai, did you miss seeing the red car in front?

25th Aug 2003, 11:28 PM	#531 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 26,760 Reputation: 3984 Rep Power: 72	The video is only 400KB big. I've already compressed it, using Divx 5.05. I wouldn't say MS made a mistake. He clearly wanted to defend his position, but his car is just too slow, pushing a little harder. If Montoya was not there, he would have made that corner easily. I do not dislike any drivers, except for Montoya. Before his F1 entry, he was pretty arrogant, saying that everyone is beatable, but so far, in a fastest car on track, he is only capable of winning 2 races (3 if you include Monza 2001), and that's because Ralf had an accident in Hockenheim. Even Ralf has more wins. And I will never forget 'hitting a cameraman' incident, swearing f***ing idiot for at least 5 times in 20 secs, and it was his fault! __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

26th Aug 2003, 02:53 PM	#532 (permalink)
lung Super Active Join Date: 4 Apr 2003 Location: Malaysia Posts: 1,528 Reputation: 26 Rep Power: 7	Hitting a cameraman? Montoya did that? Video, please? I agree with Chai. I don't know why, but I have the 'arrogant' feeling towards Montoya. I hope he doesn't win the championship... (My bet is on Raikkonen!) MS and Ferrari... I have no idea what's happening to them, but they sure are getting more and more disappointing (especially MS). It even seems to me that Barichello is driving better than MS! Especially the grand prix last weekend. Too bad a suspension failure put him out of the race I'm sure it's not the car... I think it may be the tyres. Or the drivers And say... What's happening to Mclaren's new car? __________________ Newest Review: Dungeon Siege - Legends of Aranna Now Playing: Chris Sawyer's Locomotion

26th Aug 2003, 05:19 PM	#533 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 26,760 Reputation: 3984 Rep Power: 72	Yeah, while he was walking behind the pits. I will post the video tonight. Typical Latin temper... __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

26th Aug 2003, 06:36 PM	#534 (permalink)
drab Hyperactive Join Date: 4 Jan 2003 Location: spain Posts: 2,509 Reputation: 76 Rep Power: 8	Look at the hungarian,chai.only bridgestone runner in the points?ferrari.championship is getting verry interesting __________________ NOTE.This is a private parking space.non permit holders will be clamped.

10th Sep 2003, 10:37 AM	#535 (permalink)
wiiz Super Active Join Date: 28 Nov 2002 Location: KL Posts: 1,007 Reputation: 171 Rep Power: 9	is it all down to tyre factor? or it's just the other team make a lot of improvement compare to ferrari? by the way, has this thread lost its perpetuality? __________________ It's like finger pointing to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you'll miss the heavenly glory - Bruce Lee

10th Sep 2003, 11:08 AM	#536 (permalink)
Mike Active Join Date: 8 Jun 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 949 Reputation: 67 Rep Power: 6	not really... just waiting for the next round before we got anything else to talk about. __________________ Mike Z Watercooled Aria SFF \| D Rig \| Ghetto Fanless Desktop

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Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 26,760 Reputation: 3984 Rep Power: 72	Does anyone follow the Michelin tyre controversy? __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

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Mike Active Join Date: 8 Jun 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 949 Reputation: 67 Rep Power: 6	not familiar with it. care to explain? __________________ Mike Z Watercooled Aria SFF \| D Rig \| Ghetto Fanless Desktop

10th Sep 2003, 12:57 PM	#539 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 26,760 Reputation: 3984 Rep Power: 72	FIA, or some people say Ferrari, launched an attack on Michelin, suspecting their front tyres exceeded the limit set by the FIA. The way the tyre works is very unique. When the tyre is brand new, the tyre width is 270mm, but as the tyre wear more and more, the 'side wall' becomes part of the tyre contacting surface! So by the end of the race, the tyre exceeded 270mm. As you know, more tyre contact area = more grip. Michelin said that the rule was not clear, stating that a new front tyre must be 270mm wide, but did not state that worn tyres should comply with the rule. So it started all the controversy. Now the case is settled, Michelin will have to use new tyres to comply with the rule, must be 270mm wide before used and after used. The reason why it became controversial is because Ferrari is struggling now, and Ferrari complained to FIA. As usual, Ross Brawn said something stupid to the public, but I forgot what he said. That could explain why the Bridgestone runners are struggling. Now Monza will be an exciting race, hope it's not a dominant race again... __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/