Tech ARP Forums

Go Back   Tech ARP Forums > Hardware Discussion > Overclocking, Cooling & Modding
Register
FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read

Google Web www.techarp.com forums.techarp.com

Overclocking, Cooling & Modding Come on in and find out how to keep your babies cooler, run faster, and show off your modded cases!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 18th Aug 2007, 08:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
Getting there
 
Join Date: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 175
Reputation: 249
graysky has a spectacular aura aboutgraysky has a spectacular aura aboutgraysky has a spectacular aura about
Rep Power: 5
Default Lapped my IHS on a Q6600 (pics and results)

Well, after lapping my HS, I've had this nagging little voice in my head telling me to do the same from the CPU. I did the job with 800 grit sandpaper. Initially, I told myself I'd just buff what's there right now just to see if it's level. After about 30 laps in one direction and 30 in the other direction I discovered I had quite a concave IHS. So I just kept at it. Two 9x11 pieces of 800 grit later paper later I was left with a darn flat layer of copper looking back at me. I finished the job and put a mild shine on it with a sheet of 1000 grit I got from the local auto parts store just for the f*ck of it.

Here are a few pics and the temp. results I got from lapping both my CPU and HS. I would recommend that anyone wanting the best $20 decrease in temps should consider lapping both the CPU and HS.

Hardware details: Q6600 @ 9x333 and vcore of 1.2625V in the BIOS, P5B Deluxe (vdroop modded) cooled w/ an Ultra-120 Extreme (lapped) with Scythe/s-flex SFF21F 1600RPM fan, in a P182 case:

Temp results:

Each temp. point represents an average of data collected over approx. 1 h time period during the 2nd pass of a 2-pass x264 encode of a 720x480 DVD source using a high quality video profile. Data points were logged by Speedfan every 3-4 seconds over this time period. The average CPU usage was >99 % on all 4 cores throughout the experiments. Also room temp was between 20-22 °C.

This is my preferred setup: 8x10 piece of glass on a flat counter top. You can see I cut the sandpaper into a thin strip (about 2-3x the width of the CPU) and attached it to the glass with some tape. The glass is in turn tapped down to the counter top to keep everything immobilized. You'll want to moisten the sandpaper with some mildly soapy water (like 1 drop of dish soap in 1 liter of water), then blot it until you have no pools of water. Remember, if you get water into your chip you're sunk. Then simple hold the chip and gently move it front-to-back. I don't recommend doing circles since they tend to give uneven results. The copper color on the sandpaper is material I just removed from the IHS on the chip.



Remember, you're after a flat chip here so don't push down on it as you lap: let the weight of your hands do it without extra pressure and go slowly so you don't use uneven pressure. After about 30 laps front-to-back, I gently blotted off the chip with a moist paper towel to remove the metal particles I just sanded off, then rotated it 90 degrees and repeated 30 laps front-to-back. Then you'll want to clean off the sand paper (add more water, then blot it damp and repeat). I'd recommend changing the sand paper frequently since it's really doing the work for you. That's basically it. You can start with 400 grit or so and lap until you can't see variations in the surface of the chip (no silver color is often a good indication that you're flat), move up to 600 or 800, then finish off with 1000 or 1200. I did mine entirely with 800 and 1000, it just takes longer with finer grits. Remember, the key is FLAT, not shiny. I would recommend that you do NOT polish the chip with a metal polish since you'll leave behind a residue that will hurt your heat transfer.

You can test the flatness at any point during the lapping process by carefully placing a razor blade across the surface of he chip and looking at the area where the razor meets the chip. Now position your eye so that you're level with the chip and pointing at a light source (a lamp will do nicely). Do you see any light coming though? If so, keep at it. Another test you can do is to take a black sharpie marker and make about 9 dots in a 3x3 grid on the surface of the IHS. Lap about 5 times, rotate, and do 5 more. Now look at the dots... did they wear off evenly? If not, keep at it. You can also simply draw an "X" from corner to corner on the chip and do this as well. Again, you'll looking for even wear.

After about 5 minutes of lapping in each direction with 800 grit. You can see how the nickel plating has come off around the edges first which shows you just how concave this thing really was:


After more lapping most of the nickel plating has been removed expect in the really low areas (the camera flash fired so close to the chip makes all the scratches show up much more so than they do under normal light):


Switched to 1000 grit, here's the result:


Another angle shows the nice dull reflection, still very so slightly concave at the extreme edges, but good enough for me:


I would recommend that anyone wanting the best $20 decrease in temps should consider lapping both the CPU and HS.

Oh, I also thought I'd mention that before I lapped the chip, I had a pretty big difference in core temps when loading with prime95 or 2x orthos: up to 6 degrees C (sorry I don't have a screenshot of this). Lapping the chip REALLY evened-them-out as you can see from the coretemp numbers after the IHS and base of the heatsink were lapped (stressed using prime95 v25.3):



The table I showed above was not based on prime95 or orthos, it was based on x264.exe which is a video encoder. It is good at using all 4 cores, but not as efficient as prime95/orthos which explains the differences in temps from that table.
__________________

Last edited by graysky : 30th Nov 2007 at 02:59 PM.
graysky is offline   Reply With Quote
SPONSOR

Old 19th Aug 2007, 12:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
"Little" Devil
 
PsYkHoTiK's Avatar
 
Join Date: 8 Apr 2004
Location: On the "throne"
Posts: 14,651
Reputation: 4442
PsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond repute
Rep Power: 64
Default

Yea, the IHS isn't really flat.

Kinda makes me want to try bowing my waterblock.

Good job on the lapping by the way.
__________________
Intel SLAPL 4.3GHz @ 1.35v : 2x2GB OCZ Platinum DDR2 1066 : Asus P5K Premium : WD RE3 250GB x2 RAID 0 : 3ware 9650SE-2LP : G92 8800GTS 512mb 820MHz Core : XFi Platinum : Silverstone OP650 : Silverstone TJ-07 : Dtek FuZion CPU : Swiftech MCW60 : MCP655 : Thermochill PA120.3 w Scythe Ultra Kaze
CPU-Z: SLAPL : SLA9U : FX-55 : DDR 600 : VX
www.techarp.com
PsYkHoTiK's Meanderings
PsYkHoTiK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Aug 2007, 01:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
Da Boss
 
Join Date: 10 Oct 2002
Location: In front of my ASUS F8V notebook!
Posts: 32,208
Reputation: 3531
Adrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond repute
Rep Power: 75
Default

Wow.. That's really nice work! +rep!
__________________
Dr. Adrian Wong
Tech ARP | Blog @ Tech ARP | The Free Trade Zone


DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank?

We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer!

My items for sale : 50x SD Card | Memory Stick PRO | Cyclone Energy Saver | Seiko SS watch | Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs | Travel Speakers | Motorola V600 | Nokia N90 SOLD! | New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW

Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 | Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 | Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 | Swarovski bracelet watches | Dell 17" LCD | Hi-Fi speakers | English DIVX movies | HP LaserJet toners! | Office chairs
Adrian Wong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Aug 2007, 04:40 AM   #4 (permalink)
Getting there
 
Join Date: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 175
Reputation: 249
graysky has a spectacular aura aboutgraysky has a spectacular aura aboutgraysky has a spectacular aura about
Rep Power: 5
Default

Thanks guys - always glad to contribute when I can.
__________________
graysky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Aug 2007, 01:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
h@x!
 
Max_87's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11 Aug 2003
Location: the land of bandwidth cap
Posts: 11,430
Reputation: 2090
Max_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond repute
Rep Power: 38
Default

Hm... should I lap my E6850?
__________________
Max_87
Tech ARP
http://www.techarp.com

Dell Studio 15 / P7350 / 3GB DDR2 / Radeon HD 3450 / 250GB 7200RPM / 15" @ 1920x1200

E8600 @ 4.4GHz 1.36v / Asus P5E3 Deluxe / 2x2GB DDR3 / Radeon X1800 / Barracuda 7200.9 120GB / 7200.10 320GB x2 / Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS / WD6400AAKS x2 / Dell 2007FP x2 / Silverstone ST56F
Max_87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Aug 2007, 01:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
"Little" Devil
 
PsYkHoTiK's Avatar
 
Join Date: 8 Apr 2004
Location: On the "throne"
Posts: 14,651
Reputation: 4442
PsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond reputePsYkHoTiK has a reputation beyond repute
Rep Power: 64
Default

I'll just stick with a fap on the processor. LOL!
__________________
Intel SLAPL 4.3GHz @ 1.35v : 2x2GB OCZ Platinum DDR2 1066 : Asus P5K Premium : WD RE3 250GB x2 RAID 0 : 3ware 9650SE-2LP : G92 8800GTS 512mb 820MHz Core : XFi Platinum : Silverstone OP650 : Silverstone TJ-07 : Dtek FuZion CPU : Swiftech MCW60 : MCP655 : Thermochill PA120.3 w Scythe Ultra Kaze
CPU-Z: SLAPL : SLA9U : FX-55 : DDR 600 : VX
www.techarp.com
PsYkHoTiK's Meanderings
PsYkHoTiK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Aug 2007, 10:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
Da Boss
 
Join Date: 10 Oct 2002
Location: In front of my ASUS F8V notebook!
Posts: 32,208
Reputation: 3531
Adrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond repute
Rep Power: 75
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_87 View Post
Hm... should I lap my E6850?
I think it's a matter of time before you do it.
__________________
Dr. Adrian Wong
Tech ARP | Blog @ Tech ARP | The Free Trade Zone


DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank?

We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer!

My items for sale : 50x SD Card | Memory Stick PRO | Cyclone Energy Saver | Seiko SS watch | Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs | Travel Speakers | Motorola V600 | Nokia N90 SOLD! | New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW

Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 | Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 | Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 | Swarovski bracelet watches | Dell 17" LCD | Hi-Fi speakers | English DIVX movies | HP LaserJet toners! | Office chairs
Adrian Wong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Aug 2007, 11:08 PM   #8 (permalink)
Getting there
 
Join Date: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 175
Reputation: 249
graysky has a spectacular aura aboutgraysky has a spectacular aura aboutgraysky has a spectacular aura about
Rep Power: 5
Default

If you do end-up doing it, please remember to record your before/after prime95 v25.x load temps AND the room temp when you ran it (let it got for at least 30 minutes). You might also wanna take a high quality pic of the IHS before you remove it just for your future reference (chip model, manufacture code, etc.) Finally, remember to post those before/after results in here
__________________
graysky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Aug 2007, 11:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
h@x!
 
Max_87's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11 Aug 2003
Location: the land of bandwidth cap
Posts: 11,430
Reputation: 2090
Max_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond reputeMax_87 has a reputation beyond repute
Rep Power: 38
Default

Okay, will post results if I do lap my E6850
__________________
Max_87
Tech ARP
http://www.techarp.com

Dell Studio 15 / P7350 / 3GB DDR2 / Radeon HD 3450 / 250GB 7200RPM / 15" @ 1920x1200

E8600 @ 4.4GHz 1.36v / Asus P5E3 Deluxe / 2x2GB DDR3 / Radeon X1800 / Barracuda 7200.9 120GB / 7200.10 320GB x2 / Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS / WD6400AAKS x2 / Dell 2007FP x2 / Silverstone ST56F
Max_87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Aug 2007, 11:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
Da Boss
 
Join Date: 10 Oct 2002
Location: In front of my ASUS F8V notebook!
Posts: 32,208
Reputation: 3531
Adrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond reputeAdrian Wong has a reputation beyond repute
Rep Power: 75
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_87 View Post
Okay, will post results if I do lap my E6850
You will. Resistance is futile!
__________________
Dr. Adrian Wong
Tech ARP | Blog @ Tech ARP | The Free Trade Zone


DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank?

We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer!

My items for sale : 50x SD Card | Memory Stick PRO | Cyclone Energy Saver | Seiko SS watch | Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs | Travel Speakers | Motorola V600 | Nokia N90 SOLD! | New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW

Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 | Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 | Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 | Swarovski bracelet watches | Dell 17" LCD | Hi-Fi speakers | English DIVX movies | HP LaserJet toners! | Office chairs
Adrian Wong is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Lapped by Ultra-120 Extreme (pics and results) graysky Overclocking, Cooling & Modding 13 16th Jul 2008 05:26 AM


All times are GMT +8. The time now is 09:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0
Copyright © 1998-2009 Tech ARP. All rights reserved.