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Old 2nd Sep 2007, 03:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What specific CPU and graphics card?

Generally for those two, I would recommend a 120.3 just to maximize performance.
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Intel QX6700 if i can afford it But if not probably a q6600, unless ADM come up with anything better.

GPU will be 8800 Ultra without a doubt, and I plan to try and push the OC as far as it will go lol
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Those two DEFINITELY do not belong in the same loop then. Even more so if you want to push.

I'd have to say two loops or perhaps two 120.3 rads.

I've seen a QX6700 clocked at 3.5GHz do 69C load on all four cores. Thats with a Dtek Fuzion, 1/2" ID tubing, and a DEDICATED PA120.3 (the king of cool as far as rads go - the MCR320QP is beaten by their 120.2 in terms of heat dissapation. Two PA120.3s have less pressure drop than a single MCR320QP).

Do not underestimate quad core heat (ask ZuePhok - he sold his off after seeing the load temps for himself). It's for that reason I didn't go QX6700 (or Q6600 G0 for that matter). I really wanted to go nuts on my latest PC build but held back for some reasons.

Phase is the way to go for quads I think...

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I greatly enjoy my temps (E6850 and 8800GTS).
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'd have to say two loops
I'm new to watercooling, what do you mean by "Two loops" as in from 2 rads? Would it be better off to go with a ThermoCill rad instead?

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I've seen a QX6700 clocked at 3.5GHz do 69C load on all four cores. Thats with a Dtek Fuzion, 1/2" ID tubing, and a DEDICATED PA120.3 (the king of cool as far as rads go - the MCR320QP is beaten by their 120.2).
Phase change anyone? lol.

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Do not underestimate quad core heat. It's for that reason I didn't go QX6700 (or Q6600 G0 for that matter). I really wanted to go nuts on my latest PC build but held back for some reasons.
I can see what you mean, your OC is only going to be as good as your cooling, I can't really see how you could cool it any more efficiently, can you link more than one radiator together?
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the PA120.3 is like 135 here. IF you can find them online. They get sold out all the time.

http://www.jab-tech.com/Thermochill-...3-pr-3264.html
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCR...r-pr-3320.html

Generally the bigger the radiator, the more heat it can dissipate (only true within their respective product line).

I wanted to get it but I couldn't find any in stock.

Heat is the enemy of any overclock. Naturally you want better cooling to cool it down (kinda why you're going to watercooling right?).

Two loops = two seperate watercooling loops. a pump, res, radiator, and block each for CPU and GPU. So one for the CPU, one for the GPU (you could do with a 120.2 radiator for the GPU I guess).
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Yeah, the site I was looking at was sold out as well. I've got time to watch and wait though, not going to start till at least the end of this year. This talk of 2 of everything is starting to sound rather expensive now though lol. What other stuff do you need to buy ontop of those items? All the bits to fit them together. The thermochill rads should be usable with the radbox?
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Water cooling is not cheap by any measure. I did skimp on some stuff (like the rad) and that ran me over 300 bucks.

You naturally need the fans for your rad. Metal clamps for your fittings, the fittings themselves for some of the stuff. Tubing (good stuff like the Tygon R3603 run pretty expensive) is of course needed. Coolant is optional but a Biocide is a must. Distilled water for the actual water, time and effort and a whole lot of patience (to bleed and leak test the system etc). A backplate for the CPU block is ideal (or else you will get bowing). Thermal paste naturally.
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The reason why I recommended sticking to MCR220 is because the APEX kit comes with MCR220 and there's no option to upgrade.
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The reason why I recommended sticking to MCR220 is because the APEX kit comes with MCR220 and there's no option to upgrade.
Hmm, thats a good point. Do you agree with PsYkHoTiK on the fact that 2 loops are needed to cool overclocked QX6700 & 8800Ultra?

Now! What sort of fittings would I need to put these all together? I'm relly clueless here *sigh*. Here is the link to the shop i was looking at http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...x&cPath=59_346
All the brands make it rather confusing.

I see what you mean about the Stacker-832 being rather small... How about this one http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=103_334&pro ducts_id=20999
It looks like it has 2 x 120mm fans at the top. Think it's possible to mount a rad there? Then in the event of 2 loops, another could be added with a radbox on the back.

or this one http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=103_193&pro ducts_id=4480
or this http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=103_193&pro ducts_id=20854

Except not with the modified side windows, because to ship a case would cost a small fortune.

If you look at the stock case, it would be possible to mount one radiator at the top with a bit of drilling and cutting, and put the PSU in the bottom slot.
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You should be safe with the APEX kit, it comes with almost everything you need, including the fittings. It will be an almost plug and play kit.
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