Dodgy Pentium 4s from Hong Kong

MidLifeCrysis · 17th Jan 2009, 03:44 PM

Read an article on this site about ES Core 2 CPUs being sold from China.I bought "New" Model 670 P4 3.8Ghz from a bloke on ebay recently.He had great feedback and already sold almost 2000 items and had 100% refund.When I got it it was in an Intel box w/heatsink but no paperwork /manual or hologram sticker on the box.I figured it was OEM ,the chip looked brand new,no pin marks on the contacts.I built a system using it and it fired up no problems.I went to test the system SiSoftware Sandra and it told me my chip was an Engineering Sample.CPUZ and Intels processor ID utility said the same.I contacted the ebay seller,I won't reveal his name because KAGA0719 might sue me or whatever,and he offered to refund me but minus $30.00 for postage,plus I would have to pay post to send it back.Bugger that,it could end up "lost in the mail" and I would lose money and the chip.I did some research on the web and thought I'll just keep it.It's rare,you aren't supposed to be able to buy one.I could probably sell it to an overclocker for more than I paid.But better that,I got this guy in Hong Kong a bit worried.I informed him that Intel did not take kindly to retailers selling ES cpus and I had a good mind to inform them of what had happened.He said don't do that,my mistake,I'll split the postage.Told him to get stuffed,I contacted Intel,sent them all our details and emails and that THEY would be contacting him.Of course I didn't contact Intel but it felt pretty good having a go at that cheat.The chip also has no Q in the model number or ES on it anywhere.Anyway,I just thought I would let people know that there's more than just dodgy powdered milk and Core2s coming out of China.Cheers

g0tanks · 17th Jan 2009, 06:22 PM

Nice story

I would probably have done the same as you did. I would've kept the CPU just because it's an ES.

MidLifeCrysis · 17th Jan 2009, 11:02 PM

Oh I plan on keeping it unless someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse.I don't think the multiplier is unlocked on it,my BIOS showed 14X to 19X.If it was unlocked it would be "more" special but it is kinda cool in some circles to say you have a ES chip.I want to get a proper heatsink/fan for it before I try overclocking it.It's on a GA-945P-DS3 motherboard with a 8800 GTS/XP Pro for playing games that don't like my Q6600/Vista system.I built it for something to tweak,the wife hates it when I upgrade the other computer cause she misses Oprah and other crap she looks at.This looks like nice site to join for info.I haven't been messing with computers for long so I'm trying to learn as much as I can and its great to be able to chat to people who have been there done that to help you along.

Lacus · 18th Jan 2009, 12:13 AM

hmm, but China does not make Intel proc rights o_O..great story there..ouch, maybe you could get your wife a netbook or something while you tweak or upgrade her system

..cheers dude

Chai · 18th Jan 2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MidLifeCrysis

Oh I plan on keeping it unless someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse.I don't think the multiplier is unlocked on it,my BIOS showed 14X to 19X.If it was unlocked it would be "more" special but it is kinda cool in some circles to say you have a ES chip.I want to get a proper heatsink/fan for it before I try overclocking it.It's on a GA-945P-DS3 motherboard with a 8800 GTS/XP Pro for playing games that don't like my Q6600/Vista system.I built it for something to tweak,the wife hates it when I upgrade the other computer cause she misses Oprah and other crap she looks at.This looks like nice site to join for info.I haven't been messing with computers for long so I'm trying to learn as much as I can and its great to be able to chat to people who have been there done that to help you along.

This is a normal 'unlocked' ES chip. It's only partially unlocked.

MidLifeCrysis · 18th Jan 2009, 03:40 PM

Well thats good news but I don't really understand the "unlocked" part.If it only goes as high as 19X at default settings that works out to 3.8ghz.I would have thought if the multifier was unlocked you could set it to whatever you wanted.Please explain,I'm new at this.what would a "stock" cpu have?Thanx

Chai · 18th Jan 2009, 03:58 PM

Only a EE edition processor will allow you to choose multipliers. So ES is not as good as you think it is.

MidLifeCrysis · 18th Jan 2009, 07:36 PM

I still don't understand how it is unlocked.If it were a stock chip would it only have 19X as a multiplier?When I said good it was because I've read some ES chips are unlocked and some are not.It would seem better(gooder!) if it was unlocked.I'm just trying to learn as much as I can about this cpu.And I hope I haven't offended a member.I wasn't trying to say anything bad about China,only the retailer.I'm not racist,I hate everyone equally.My wife does have a laptop and I am forever "unsnarling" it for her.She is not allowed to touch my new rig.Thanks again for your help.

Lacus · 19th Jan 2009, 02:17 AM

no problem sir...we at techarp are always there to help ya

Adrian Wong · 21st Jan 2009, 01:14 AM

LOL!! I'll bet he peed his pants!

17th Jan 2009, 03:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
MidLifeCrysis Newbie Join Date: 17 Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 5 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	Dodgy Pentium 4s from Hong Kong Read an article on this site about ES Core 2 CPUs being sold from China.I bought "New" Model 670 P4 3.8Ghz from a bloke on ebay recently.He had great feedback and already sold almost 2000 items and had 100% refund.When I got it it was in an Intel box w/heatsink but no paperwork /manual or hologram sticker on the box.I figured it was OEM ,the chip looked brand new,no pin marks on the contacts.I built a system using it and it fired up no problems.I went to test the system SiSoftware Sandra and it told me my chip was an Engineering Sample.CPUZ and Intels processor ID utility said the same.I contacted the ebay seller,I won't reveal his name because KAGA0719 might sue me or whatever,and he offered to refund me but minus $30.00 for postage,plus I would have to pay post to send it back.Bugger that,it could end up "lost in the mail" and I would lose money and the chip.I did some research on the web and thought I'll just keep it.It's rare,you aren't supposed to be able to buy one.I could probably sell it to an overclocker for more than I paid.But better that,I got this guy in Hong Kong a bit worried.I informed him that Intel did not take kindly to retailers selling ES cpus and I had a good mind to inform them of what had happened.He said don't do that,my mistake,I'll split the postage.Told him to get stuffed,I contacted Intel,sent them all our details and emails and that THEY would be contacting him.Of course I didn't contact Intel but it felt pretty good having a go at that cheat.The chip also has no Q in the model number or ES on it anywhere.Anyway,I just thought I would let people know that there's more than just dodgy powdered milk and Core2s coming out of China.Cheers

17th Jan 2009, 06:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
g0tanks Active Join Date: 6 May 2008 Posts: 608 Reputation: 175 Rep Power: 3	Nice story I would probably have done the same as you did. I would've kept the CPU just because it's an ES. __________________

18th Jan 2009, 12:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lacus Super Active Join Date: 28 Mar 2008 Location: Some gundam factory o.o Posts: 1,302 Reputation: 180 Rep Power: 4	hmm, but China does not make Intel proc rights o_O..great story there..ouch, maybe you could get your wife a netbook or something while you tweak or upgrade her system ..cheers dude __________________ GUNDAM 00[Intel Xeon E3110 E0 Stock\|Asus Rampage Maximus Formula (Rampage Bios Mod)\|Gigabyte HD4850 512MB GDDR3+T-Rad2\|4x2gb DDR2 1000Mhz OCZ SLI-Ready Edition\|Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB\|Creative X-FI XtremeMusic\|Creative Inspire P5800\|Silverstone Strider ST56F\|Acer X233H\|Keyboard=Microsoft Sidewinder X6\|Logitech MX518\|Lian Li PC-7YCF]

18th Jan 2009, 03:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chai Administrator Join Date: 6 Oct 2002 Location: Maranello Posts: 27,884 Reputation: 4630 Rep Power: 81	Only a EE edition processor will allow you to choose multipliers. So ES is not as good as you think it is. __________________ Chai (Contributor & Forum Admin) http://www.techarp.com/

19th Jan 2009, 02:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Lacus Super Active Join Date: 28 Mar 2008 Location: Some gundam factory o.o Posts: 1,302 Reputation: 180 Rep Power: 4	no problem sir...we at techarp are always there to help ya __________________ GUNDAM 00[Intel Xeon E3110 E0 Stock\|Asus Rampage Maximus Formula (Rampage Bios Mod)\|Gigabyte HD4850 512MB GDDR3+T-Rad2\|4x2gb DDR2 1000Mhz OCZ SLI-Ready Edition\|Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB\|Creative X-FI XtremeMusic\|Creative Inspire P5800\|Silverstone Strider ST56F\|Acer X233H\|Keyboard=Microsoft Sidewinder X6\|Logitech MX518\|Lian Li PC-7YCF]

17th Jan 2009, 11:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
MidLifeCrysis Newbie Join Date: 17 Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 5 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	Oh I plan on keeping it unless someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse.I don't think the multiplier is unlocked on it,my BIOS showed 14X to 19X.If it was unlocked it would be "more" special but it is kinda cool in some circles to say you have a ES chip.I want to get a proper heatsink/fan for it before I try overclocking it.It's on a GA-945P-DS3 motherboard with a 8800 GTS/XP Pro for playing games that don't like my Q6600/Vista system.I built it for something to tweak,the wife hates it when I upgrade the other computer cause she misses Oprah and other crap she looks at.This looks like nice site to join for info.I haven't been messing with computers for long so I'm trying to learn as much as I can and its great to be able to chat to people who have been there done that to help you along.

18th Jan 2009, 03:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
MidLifeCrysis Newbie Join Date: 17 Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 5 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	Well thats good news but I don't really understand the "unlocked" part.If it only goes as high as 19X at default settings that works out to 3.8ghz.I would have thought if the multifier was unlocked you could set it to whatever you wanted.Please explain,I'm new at this.what would a "stock" cpu have?Thanx

18th Jan 2009, 07:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
MidLifeCrysis Newbie Join Date: 17 Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 5 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	I still don't understand how it is unlocked.If it were a stock chip would it only have 19X as a multiplier?When I said good it was because I've read some ES chips are unlocked and some are not.It would seem better(gooder!) if it was unlocked.I'm just trying to learn as much as I can about this cpu.And I hope I haven't offended a member.I wasn't trying to say anything bad about China,only the retailer.I'm not racist,I hate everyone equally.My wife does have a laptop and I am forever "unsnarling" it for her.She is not allowed to touch my new rig.Thanks again for your help.

21st Jan 2009, 01:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
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