Virtual Memory Optimization Guide! - Page 5

Adrian Wong · 23rd Nov 2004, 10:54 PM

Hello Noam,

Nothing much to be said about your setup. Looks like you are following our guidelines.

Protools_Opearator · 24th Nov 2004, 06:54 PM

Well actually I was wondering what about the FAT32/NTFS combination (drive A NTFS drive B FAT32) and the 700MB split (drive A 200 drive B 500)

By the way both partitions are formatted at 4K cluster size.,

I wonder if there is another way to split them for optimizing a little bit more maybe I should just look on the page file usage on each drive and decide myself what need more/less.,

Thank you,
-Noam

Adrian Wong · 25th Nov 2004, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protools_Opearator

Well actually I was wondering what about the FAT32/NTFS combination (drive A NTFS drive B FAT32) and the 700MB split (drive A 200 drive B 500)

By the way both partitions are formatted at 4K cluster size.,

I wonder if there is another way to split them for optimizing a little bit more maybe I should just look on the page file usage on each drive and decide myself what need more/less.,

Thank you,
-Noam

Err.. If you take a look at the post PRIOR to your first post, you will see the answer to that - http://forums.rojakpot.com/showthrea...974#post150974

IMHO, there is a practical limit to how much we can optimize the paging file without getting bogged down into the fine details and wasting more time than we would save with a perfectly optimized paging file.

In other words, I personally think your setup is pretty good. You should concentrate on optimizing it in other areas (check the guide), rather than worry about fine-tuning the allocation of space. It won't matter much as long as the second hard disk has a paging file that is large enough for most occasions.

Dashken · 1st Dec 2004, 10:42 PM

The article has just been updated!

Even today, virtual memory is still very important component of the operating system. No matter how much memory you have, there is always a need for virtual memory. Therefore, its performance is of great importance. Optimizing the virtual memory system will greatly improve the performance of the computer.

Today, we will take an in-depth look at cluster size and its effect on the performance of the paging file. We will also take a look at how it affects paging files on RAID arrays! Come and check out the definitive Virtual Memory Optimization Guide!

Here are the updates:-

Added a new section on cluster sizes and their effect on the performance of the paging file.

Link : Virtual Memory Optimization Guide Rev. 4.1!

pmg4125 · 2nd Dec 2004, 03:03 AM

Hmmm.... i think i needd to work back on the graphics for the guides and stuff again

nvm. interesting article... but i am trying on having some VM by using RAID setup. was wondering if it will get mirrored

Adrian Wong · 2nd Dec 2004, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmg4125

Hmmm.... i think i needd to work back on the graphics for the guides and stuff again

nvm. interesting article... but i am trying on having some VM by using RAID setup. was wondering if it will get mirrored

Yes, it will. That's why it's not advisable for you to put the paging file in a RAID array, unless you are striping.

GeoDude · 2nd Dec 2004, 10:39 AM

I've just read most of the sections that pertain to Win2K. Great series! Except, that VM has been around since long before Windows was even imagined... early sections of the article sounds like VM was invented for Windows... LOL!

Question -- After I have changed the static and dynamic sizes of my VM on Win2K, if I defrag my partition will that make it contiguous?

Adrian Wong · 2nd Dec 2004, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeoDude

I've just read most of the sections that pertain to Win2K. Great series! Except, that VM has been around since long before Windows was even imagined... early sections of the article sounds like VM was invented for Windows... LOL!

Question -- After I have changed the static and dynamic sizes of my VM on Win2K, if I defrag my partition will that make it contiguous?

ROTFL!

Well, to be honest, I only have experience with Windows and DOS so I can only talk about VM in Windows.

As for your question, the static paging file or static portion of a semi-permanent paging file will be defragmented IF you set your defragmentation utility to optimize the paging file. Most 3rd-party utilities support this but not Windows XP's built-in defragger.

Mike89 · 3rd Dec 2004, 07:37 AM

I read your article on Virtual Memory.

Either you got something wrong or I'm misunderstanding something big time. You talk about the size the Virtual Memory should be(I'm running Windows XP).

I have a gig of ram. When I play Vampire - Bloodlines, the Commit Charge Peak is over 1.32 gigs (I'm rounding off)! This is the highest number I have ever seen in a game. The only other game I have seen go over 1 gig was HL2. Farcry was around 850 - 920 megs.

Now it was my impression that this number represented the total amount of ram that game used (including both physical ram and Virtual Memory). I would interpret that number meaning that it used all of my gig of ram plus another 320 megs of Virtual Memory.

From what I interpreted from what you said about that Task Manager reading was that number represented the amount of Virtual Memory that was used. That seems all wrong to me. I take what you said to mean is that 1.32 gig reading I got was that the game used all of my 1 gig of memory PLUS another 1.32 gig of Virtual Memory.

So your explanation is really throwing me off. According to what you said, with a 1.32 gig reading, I would need to make my swap file over 1.32 gigs (even with 1 gig of physical memory). I thought that all it needed was over 320 megs (being 1 gig of that reading was the used up physical memory of 1 gig).

So please clarify that for me. What does that Commit Charge Peak reading read? You got me tripping out here.

Adrian Wong · 3rd Dec 2004, 08:42 AM

Hello Mike,

In the first place, the guide NEVER mentioned anything about Commit Charge Peak.

What I wrote in the guide was check the maximum usage of the dynamic paging file before you decide on the optimal size for the permanent or semi-permanent paging file.

If you check Task Manager -> Performance, you will see PF Usage. THAT shows the usage of the paging file.

I think I should add that into the guide to clarify this matter for everyone.

Hope that helps you some!

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GeoDude Newbie Join Date: 2 Dec 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, SF Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 1 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	Contiguous VM on Win2K? I've just read most of the sections that pertain to Win2K. Great series! Except, that VM has been around since long before Windows was even imagined... early sections of the article sounds like VM was invented for Windows... LOL! Question -- After I have changed the static and dynamic sizes of my VM on Win2K, if I defrag my partition will that make it contiguous?

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Adrian Wong Da Boss Join Date: 10 Oct 2002 Location: In front of my ASUS F8V notebook! Posts: 30,146 Reputation: 3081 Rep Power: 67	Hello Mike, In the first place, the guide NEVER mentioned anything about Commit Charge Peak. What I wrote in the guide was check the maximum usage of the dynamic paging file before you decide on the optimal size for the permanent or semi-permanent paging file. If you check Task Manager -> Performance, you will see PF Usage. THAT shows the usage of the paging file. I think I should add that into the guide to clarify this matter for everyone. Hope that helps you some! __________________ Dr. Adrian Wong Tech ARP \| Blog @ Tech ARP \| The Free Trade Zone DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank? Keep Tech ARP free! Visit our sponsors! We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer! My items for sale : 50x SD Card \| Memory Stick PRO \| Cyclone Energy Saver \| Seiko SS watch \| Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs \| Travel Speakers \| Motorola V600 \| Nokia N90 SOLD! \| New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 \| Swarovski bracelet watches \| Dell 17" LCD \| Hi-Fi speakers \| English DIVX movies \| HP LaserJet toners! \| Office chairs

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Protools_Opearator Newbie Join Date: 7 Nov 2004 Posts: 4 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	Well actually I was wondering what about the FAT32/NTFS combination (drive A NTFS drive B FAT32) and the 700MB split (drive A 200 drive B 500) By the way both partitions are formatted at 4K cluster size., I wonder if there is another way to split them for optimizing a little bit more maybe I should just look on the page file usage on each drive and decide myself what need more/less., Thank you, -Noam

3rd Dec 2004, 07:37 AM	#49 (permalink)
Mike89 Newbie Join Date: 3 Dec 2004 Posts: 8 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	I read your article on Virtual Memory. Either you got something wrong or I'm misunderstanding something big time. You talk about the size the Virtual Memory should be(I'm running Windows XP). I have a gig of ram. When I play Vampire - Bloodlines, the Commit Charge Peak is over 1.32 gigs (I'm rounding off)! This is the highest number I have ever seen in a game. The only other game I have seen go over 1 gig was HL2. Farcry was around 850 - 920 megs. Now it was my impression that this number represented the total amount of ram that game used (including both physical ram and Virtual Memory). I would interpret that number meaning that it used all of my gig of ram plus another 320 megs of Virtual Memory. From what I interpreted from what you said about that Task Manager reading was that number represented the amount of Virtual Memory that was used. That seems all wrong to me. I take what you said to mean is that 1.32 gig reading I got was that the game used all of my 1 gig of memory PLUS another 1.32 gig of Virtual Memory. So your explanation is really throwing me off. According to what you said, with a 1.32 gig reading, I would need to make my swap file over 1.32 gigs (even with 1 gig of physical memory). I thought that all it needed was over 320 megs (being 1 gig of that reading was the used up physical memory of 1 gig). So please clarify that for me. What does that Commit Charge Peak reading read? You got me tripping out here.