ED#66 : Is 64-Bit Crysis Really Faster Than 32-Bit Crysis?

Dashken · 1st Nov 2007, 11:31 PM

Those who have already given the Crysis single-player demo a try have not only been impressed by the visual effects but also the incredibly stress it put on their hardware.

In a recent GameSpot interview, Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli mentioned that the 64-bit version of Crysis would be better than the 32-bit version.

Before you go rushing off to buy the 64-bit version of Windows Vista though, take a look at what we found when we benchmarked the 64-bit Crysis and compared it to the performance of the 32-bit Crysis.

Link : ED#66 : Is 64-Bit Crysis Really Faster Than 32-Bit Crysis?

PsYkHoTiK · 2nd Nov 2007, 12:15 AM

It is really hard to speculate on pre-release builds (they made that very clear on the beta demo).

Beta demos are after all Beta.

That combined with young drivers for a new card and some more tweaking on the game will not really show anything conclusive.

I think it would be more fair if we gave considerations on somethings rather then simply state there is no difference between x86 and x64. That is too strong of a statement for something thats:
1) not out yet.
2) new drivers for a card thats 2 days old. (Latest build is 169.04 actually - tweaked more for Crysis)
3) It is established that this game has a GPU bottleneck. The CEO of Crytek said that the importance of hardware is GPU > CPU > Ram. No GPU can run at that resolution (1600x1200) well at all (current hardware that is). If anything, that kinda resolution is just reaffirming that.

Adrian Wong · 2nd Nov 2007, 12:35 AM

Well, I think that's all understood. We are no strangers to betas after all. Hehe.. But many people may misconstrue his [Yerli's] statement that 64-bit Crysis will be faster than the 32-bit version.

I really don't see how that's possible. The biggest performance problem with Crysis is its graphics-intensive nature, not that it is especially memory-intensive to the extent it will require 4GB or more of memory.

Anyway, I think it's interesting to at least check out if there's a real boost going from 32-bit to 64-bit. It is possible that the final version of Crysis 64-bit may run faster than the 32-bit version, but right now, they are practically the same, performance-wise.

PsYkHoTiK · 2nd Nov 2007, 12:39 AM

You can't see the difference if there is a graphics bottleneck now can you?

CPU, ram, and build is irrelevant when there's a choke point on graphics. You can have a 5GHz processor a 1tb of ram but if ur graphics cant spit things out any faster, it doesnt matter what build of vista you run it on.

That is my main point.

Nothing can run it well at 1600x1200 currently.

Very few can barely run it at 1280x1024.

At least throw in some resolution scaling. It will most probably prove the GPU bottleneck.

Max_87 · 2nd Nov 2007, 02:37 AM

There might be or might not be improvement at all, but it's still too early to tell right now cause GPU is still the major bottleneck. With GPU being the major bottleneck (regardless of it requires 4GB or more memory to run or not), even if there is any improvement running 64-bit, you won't be able to see it. Not even 1280x1024 can get you good FPS at full details.

That's why it's still wayy too early to conclude that there is no improvement at all.

Adrian Wong · 2nd Nov 2007, 05:33 PM

Actually, according to Yerli, performance improvement in 64-bit Crysis will only be seen in the higher quality settings. Which makes some sense because the only way system memory becomes a factor is in the use of larger textures.

However, as the results show, there's no difference in moving from Medium to Very High quality.

Dashken · 3rd Nov 2007, 01:56 AM

In this revision, we have added the benchmark result at 1280x1024 at the High setting. Those who have already given the Crysis single-player demo a try have not only been impressed by the visual effects but also the incredibly stress it put on their hardware.

In a recent GameSpot interview, Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli mentioned that the 64-bit version of Crysis would be better than the 32-bit version.

Before you go rushing off to buy the 64-bit version of Windows Vista though, take a look at what we found when we benchmarked the 64-bit Crysis and compared it to the performance of the 32-bit Crysis.

Link : ED#66 : Is 64-Bit Crysis Really Faster Than 32-Bit Crysis? Rev. 2.0

1st Nov 2007, 11:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dashken Administrator! Join Date: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Penang Posts: 29,545 Reputation: 2162 Rep Power: 56	ED#66 : Is 64-Bit Crysis Really Faster Than 32-Bit Crysis? Those who have already given the Crysis single-player demo a try have not only been impressed by the visual effects but also the incredibly stress it put on their hardware. In a recent GameSpot interview, Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli mentioned that the 64-bit version of Crysis would be better than the 32-bit version. Before you go rushing off to buy the 64-bit version of Windows Vista though, take a look at what we found when we benchmarked the 64-bit Crysis and compared it to the performance of the 32-bit Crysis. Link : ED#66 : Is 64-Bit Crysis Really Faster Than 32-Bit Crysis? __________________ \| Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 @ 3.2Ghz \| ASUS P5B-E Plus \| G.SKILL 2x1GB DDR2 800 \| 6 HDDs (2TB+ only ) \| NVIDIA GeForce 7600GT \| Dell E248WFP 24" Widescreen \| Blog : Dashken's I-Blog Gallery : Dashken's I-Paintings

2nd Nov 2007, 12:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
PsYkHoTiK "Little" Devil Join Date: 8 Apr 2004 Location: On the "throne" Posts: 14,166 Reputation: 3858 Rep Power: 57	It is really hard to speculate on pre-release builds (they made that very clear on the beta demo). Beta demos are after all Beta. That combined with young drivers for a new card and some more tweaking on the game will not really show anything conclusive. I think it would be more fair if we gave considerations on somethings rather then simply state there is no difference between x86 and x64. That is too strong of a statement for something thats: 1) not out yet. 2) new drivers for a card thats 2 days old. (Latest build is 169.04 actually - tweaked more for Crysis) 3) It is established that this game has a GPU bottleneck. The CEO of Crytek said that the importance of hardware is GPU > CPU > Ram. No GPU can run at that resolution (1600x1200) well at all (current hardware that is). If anything, that kinda resolution is just reaffirming that. __________________ Intel SLAPL 4.3GHz @ 1.35v WIP : 2x2GB OCZ Platinum DDR2 1066 : Asus P5K Premium : WD Raptor X : G92 8800GTS 512mb stock : XFi Platinum : Silverstone OP650 : Silverstone TJ-07 : Vista Ultimate Edition : Dtek FuZion CPU : Swiftech MCW60 : MCP655 : Thermochill PA120.3 w Scythe Ultra Kaze : Tygon R3603 1/2" ID 3/4" OD CPU-Z: SLAPL : SLA9U : FX-55 : DDR 600 : VX www.techarp.com Last edited by PsYkHoTiK : 2nd Nov 2007 at 12:27 AM.

2nd Nov 2007, 12:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
Adrian Wong Da Boss Join Date: 10 Oct 2002 Location: In front of my BenQ Joybook 7000 notebook! Posts: 29,426 Reputation: 2830 Rep Power: 63	Well, I think that's all understood. We are no strangers to betas after all. Hehe.. But many people may misconstrue his [Yerli's] statement that 64-bit Crysis will be faster than the 32-bit version. I really don't see how that's possible. The biggest performance problem with Crysis is its graphics-intensive nature, not that it is especially memory-intensive to the extent it will require 4GB or more of memory. Anyway, I think it's interesting to at least check out if there's a real boost going from 32-bit to 64-bit. It is possible that the final version of Crysis 64-bit may run faster than the 32-bit version, but right now, they are practically the same, performance-wise. __________________ Dr. Adrian Wong Tech ARP \| Blog @ Tech ARP \| The Free Trade Zone DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank? Keep Tech ARP free! Visit our sponsors! We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer! My items for sale : 50x SD Card \| Memory Stick PRO \| Cyclone Energy Saver \| Seiko SS watch \| Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs \| Travel Speakers \| Motorola V600 \| Nokia N90 SOLD! \| New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 \| Swarovski bracelet watches \| Dell 17" LCD \| Hi-Fi speakers \| English DIVX movies \| HP LaserJet toners! \| Office chairs

2nd Nov 2007, 12:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
PsYkHoTiK "Little" Devil Join Date: 8 Apr 2004 Location: On the "throne" Posts: 14,166 Reputation: 3858 Rep Power: 57	You can't see the difference if there is a graphics bottleneck now can you? CPU, ram, and build is irrelevant when there's a choke point on graphics. You can have a 5GHz processor a 1tb of ram but if ur graphics cant spit things out any faster, it doesnt matter what build of vista you run it on. That is my main point. Nothing can run it well at 1600x1200 currently. Very few can barely run it at 1280x1024. At least throw in some resolution scaling. It will most probably prove the GPU bottleneck. __________________ Intel SLAPL 4.3GHz @ 1.35v WIP : 2x2GB OCZ Platinum DDR2 1066 : Asus P5K Premium : WD Raptor X : G92 8800GTS 512mb stock : XFi Platinum : Silverstone OP650 : Silverstone TJ-07 : Vista Ultimate Edition : Dtek FuZion CPU : Swiftech MCW60 : MCP655 : Thermochill PA120.3 w Scythe Ultra Kaze : Tygon R3603 1/2" ID 3/4" OD CPU-Z: SLAPL : SLA9U : FX-55 : DDR 600 : VX www.techarp.com

2nd Nov 2007, 02:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
Max_87 h@x! Join Date: 11 Aug 2003 Location: Sarawak, Malaysia. Posts: 10,997 Reputation: 1809 Rep Power: 34	There might be or might not be improvement at all, but it's still too early to tell right now cause GPU is still the major bottleneck. With GPU being the major bottleneck (regardless of it requires 4GB or more memory to run or not), even if there is any improvement running 64-bit, you won't be able to see it. Not even 1280x1024 can get you good FPS at full details. That's why it's still wayy too early to conclude that there is no improvement at all. __________________ Max_87 Tech ARP http://www.techarp.com Intel E8400 @ 4.2GHz / Abit IP35 Pro / G.Skill F2-8000CL5-4GBPQ / Radeon X1800 / Seagate 7200.9 120GB / 7200.10 320GBx2 / WD5000AAKS / Silverstone ST56F Last edited by Max_87 : 2nd Nov 2007 at 04:34 AM.

2nd Nov 2007, 05:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
Adrian Wong Da Boss Join Date: 10 Oct 2002 Location: In front of my BenQ Joybook 7000 notebook! Posts: 29,426 Reputation: 2830 Rep Power: 63	Actually, according to Yerli, performance improvement in 64-bit Crysis will only be seen in the higher quality settings. Which makes some sense because the only way system memory becomes a factor is in the use of larger textures. However, as the results show, there's no difference in moving from Medium to Very High quality. __________________ Dr. Adrian Wong Tech ARP \| Blog @ Tech ARP \| The Free Trade Zone DYKT : The only offshore account I have is at the sand bank? Keep Tech ARP free! Visit our sponsors! We need PROGRAMMERS and TECHNICAL WRITERS! Contact us if you are a hot shot programmer or technical writer! My items for sale : 50x SD Card \| Memory Stick PRO \| Cyclone Energy Saver \| Seiko SS watch \| Tiger/Carlsberg beer jugs \| Travel Speakers \| Motorola V600 \| Nokia N90 SOLD! \| New Lowepro Mini Trekker AW Other items for sale @ the FTZ : Zalman CNPS9500 LED @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7700 Cu @ $20 \| Zalman CNPS7000 Cu @ $20 \| Swarovski bracelet watches \| Dell 17" LCD \| Hi-Fi speakers \| English DIVX movies \| HP LaserJet toners! \| Office chairs

3rd Nov 2007, 01:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
Dashken Administrator! Join Date: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Penang Posts: 29,545 Reputation: 2162 Rep Power: 56	ED#66 : Is 64-Bit Crysis Really Faster Than 32-Bit Crysis? Rev. 2.0 In this revision, we have added the benchmark result at 1280x1024 at the High setting. Those who have already given the Crysis single-player demo a try have not only been impressed by the visual effects but also the incredibly stress it put on their hardware. In a recent GameSpot interview, Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli mentioned that the 64-bit version of Crysis would be better than the 32-bit version. Before you go rushing off to buy the 64-bit version of Windows Vista though, take a look at what we found when we benchmarked the 64-bit Crysis and compared it to the performance of the 32-bit Crysis. Link : ED#66 : Is 64-Bit Crysis Really Faster Than 32-Bit Crysis? Rev. 2.0 __________________ \| Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 @ 3.2Ghz \| ASUS P5B-E Plus \| G.SKILL 2x1GB DDR2 800 \| 6 HDDs (2TB+ only ) \| NVIDIA GeForce 7600GT \| Dell E248WFP 24" Widescreen \| Blog : Dashken's I-Blog Gallery : Dashken's I-Paintings