The ATI Radeon To ATI FireGL Mod Guide! - Page 4

Adrian Wong · 19th Jun 2004, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by marvel31

but has somebody tested the performance-difference with 3d-software ?

last question, who knows which hidden features the BIOS switches on ?

THX

marvel31, what this mod does is turn it into a FireGL card. A FireGL card greatly improves the performance of professional 3D applications but it won't improve the performance of games.

So, this mod will be of greatest use to those who need a FireGL card but cannot afford to pay ATI's exhorbitant prices for such workstation-grade cards.

Max_87 · 19th Jun 2004, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvel31

@ Max_87

with hidden features i mean this 3d-software optimizations

i would like to know what the 9800 is better able to do with the new BIOS.
i hope you know what i mean because i can not imagine that a 9800 is a real FireGL and that there are no core- or architecture-differences.

make me believe

i think i know what you are trying to tell me now

Flashing your card to FireGL makes no performance difference in gaming. But when running workstation 3d applications (CAD, Maya, etc. etc.) the performance will increase significantly

Max_87 · 19th Jun 2004, 11:33 PM

Ah, also

according to Adrian Da Boss

Quote:

if i'm not wrong, it just enables software optimizations for workstation 3d apps and also allow perfect accuracy for 3d rendering. In gaming, if you look closely, there will be some errors but when it's in firegl mode, there won't be any errors

EDIT : check this review, you can see the difference in 3d rendering between desktop cards and workstation cards http://www.adriansrojakpot.com/Revie...rmedia3_01.htm

marvel31 · 19th Jun 2004, 11:34 PM

@ Adrian Wong

i know that' there is no improvement in games, i want to be sure that there is no negative influence for gamers

and i know what the mod is doing but i want to know HOW ?

thx for your answers, i think it's time to test this mysterious/wonderful mod on my card and compare the results with the 3d-software

CU

Max_87 · 19th Jun 2004, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvel31

@ Adrian Wong

i know that' there is no improvement in games, i want to be sure that there is no negative influence for gamers

and i know what the mod is doing but i want to know HOW ?

thx for your answers, i think it's time to test this mysterious/wonderful mod on my card and compare the results with the 3d-software

CU

There is NONE

Don't know how? Did you read the article?

BTW, here's the link http://www.rojakpot.com/showarticle....105&pgno=0

marvel31 · 20th Jun 2004, 12:03 AM

of course, i read this article three times.
i have also understood how to flash the BIOS but how can the writer be sure that they have the same cores ?
this is my most important quaestion.

i only "mistrust" this article because i have read this at guru3d:

It won't help to unlock CAD features. The thing that differs RADEONs and FireGLs is th 7th bit of the PCI revision, which is not affected by BIOS and determined only by one of resistors on VPU package. So either do some hardware magic with this resisitor of patch the drivers.

anyway, i will try it and banchmark my system !!!
many people here have done it with success.

Max_87 · 20th Jun 2004, 12:17 AM

IT IS using the same core

Yes, there may be a slight difference between the resistor layout on the core chip. It is still using the same core

BRB · 20th Jun 2004, 02:23 AM

@Zidane
ATi Control panel software is for desktop series cards only.
The FireGL X2 256 package comes with drivers and a proggy called HYDRAVISION, which is a dual monitor display setup utility.
Contol panel will not work with a FireGL X2 256.

Edit:

I see it now. You are correct sir, and I can't get it to install either. But then again, I don't want it. Rage3D Tweak installed just fine and works.

Max_87 · 20th Jun 2004, 02:35 AM

Oh! he is actually installing the desktop series control panel?

BTW, glad that this mod works for you

marvel31 · 20th Jun 2004, 02:57 AM

Hi Guys,

i did it !!!
the flashing was successfull, i reboot my system and winxp want to install drivers.
i abort this procedure and install the ati-driver package, then reboot.
now i want test my 3dsmax, but no improvement !!!

i go into the display-properties, and the are no red ati-buttons, no openGL, no directX, nothing. only the standard 4 or 5 buttons.

what to do now ???

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20th Jun 2004, 02:35 AM	#39 (permalink)
Max_87 h@x! Join Date: 11 Aug 2003 Location: the land of bandwidth cap Posts: 11,430 Reputation: 2090 Rep Power: 38	Oh! he is actually installing the desktop series control panel? BTW, glad that this mod works for you __________________ Max_87 Tech ARP http://www.techarp.com Dell Studio 15 / P7350 / 3GB DDR2 / Radeon HD 3450 / 250GB 7200RPM / 15" @ 1920x1200 E8600 @ 4.4GHz 1.36v / Asus P5E3 Deluxe / 2x2GB DDR3 / Radeon X1800 / Barracuda 7200.9 120GB / 7200.10 320GB x2 / Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS / WD6400AAKS x2 / Dell 2007FP x2 / Silverstone ST56F

20th Jun 2004, 02:57 AM	#40 (permalink)
marvel31 Newbie Join Date: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 15 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	NEED HELP !!! Hi Guys, i did it !!! the flashing was successfull, i reboot my system and winxp want to install drivers. i abort this procedure and install the ati-driver package, then reboot. now i want test my 3dsmax, but no improvement !!! i go into the display-properties, and the are no red ati-buttons, no openGL, no directX, nothing. only the standard 4 or 5 buttons. what to do now ???

19th Jun 2004, 11:34 PM	#34 (permalink)
marvel31 Newbie Join Date: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 15 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	@ Adrian Wong i know that' there is no improvement in games, i want to be sure that there is no negative influence for gamers and i know what the mod is doing but i want to know HOW ? thx for your answers, i think it's time to test this mysterious/wonderful mod on my card and compare the results with the 3d-software CU

20th Jun 2004, 12:03 AM	#36 (permalink)
marvel31 Newbie Join Date: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 15 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	of course, i read this article three times. i have also understood how to flash the BIOS but how can the writer be sure that they have the same cores ? this is my most important quaestion. i only "mistrust" this article because i have read this at guru3d: It won't help to unlock CAD features. The thing that differs RADEONs and FireGLs is th 7th bit of the PCI revision, which is not affected by BIOS and determined only by one of resistors on VPU package. So either do some hardware magic with this resisitor of patch the drivers. anyway, i will try it and banchmark my system !!! many people here have done it with success.

20th Jun 2004, 02:23 AM	#38 (permalink)
BRB Newbie Join Date: 19 Jun 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 16 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	@Zidane ATi Control panel software is for desktop series cards only. The FireGL X2 256 package comes with drivers and a proggy called HYDRAVISION, which is a dual monitor display setup utility. Contol panel will not work with a FireGL X2 256. Edit: I see it now. You are correct sir, and I can't get it to install either. But then again, I don't want it. Rage3D Tweak installed just fine and works.