The ATI Radeon To ATI FireGL Mod Guide! - Page 8

iatacs19 · 21st Jun 2004, 10:18 AM

How can I flash from FireGL X1 to Radeon 9700 Pro?
I picked up a FireGL x1 for $99, but I don't need the workstation features.
I just want to install catalyst and have control of video overall to watch DVD's.

Is there any way to do this? I would like to keep the dual DVI out function as well.

Max_87 · 21st Jun 2004, 06:42 PM

should have any problems

give it a try

Max_87 · 21st Jun 2004, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvel31

If the FireGL does not render woekstation 3d softwares what's the point for those ppl who bought the true FireGLs?

the point is that a true FireGL render in such applications faster than our modded Radeon. what does it mean ? that the mod doesn't work !

It's not about the hardware. The modded FireGL is guaranteed to perform better than Radeon in workstation 3d applications

who gives you the guarantee that the modded Radeon is faster ?
i cant see any performanc increases. ok, maybe i have done something wrong.
you see that the most people here tests the modded card with standard gaming-software. YEAH !!! sorry but this is bull****.

its that what i mentioned above ... FireGl for free .... everybody think it will boost their games or 3dmark2003-points.[/i]

bullshit? the mod does not work? your card is already detected as FireGL!

Adrian Wong · 21st Jun 2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kizunaencounter

help i flashed the bios and no error messages came up but when i rebooted i got coloered lines down the screen right now i have an other apg card in my comp right now but how do i get my old card working HELP please. also i do not have a pci card

Hello kizunaencounter,

Because there are no motherboard with TWO AGP slots, you need a PCI graphics card to boot up. Then you can reflash the AGP card with a new BIOS.

marvel31 · 21st Jun 2004, 07:45 PM

@ Max_87

ohhh max, i think you dont really understand me.
or you dont want to understand me

yes of course, my card will be detected as a fireGL, but there are mods which changes only the name of your card.
who said that this mod enables 3d-features and not only renames my card as a fireGL in the BIOS.

and till now, nobody could prove me the opposite.
nobody posted already some banchmark of 3d-software.

now you know what i mean ?

Adrian Wong · 21st Jun 2004, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marvel31

@ Max_87

ohhh max, i think you dont really understand me.
or you dont want to understand me

yes of course, my card will be detected as a fireGL, but there are mods which changes only the name of your card.
who said that this mod enables 3d-features and not only renames my card as a fireGL in the BIOS.

and till now, nobody could prove me the opposite.
nobody posted already some banchmark of 3d-software.

now you know what i mean ?

marvel31,

If you compare the hardware of a FireGL card and that of the Radeon card, there are virtually no differences. Except maybe some differences in the resistors.

The only difference between the two cards is the driver support. This mod is supposed to trick the driver into enabling the optimizations that are reserved for only FireGL cards.

No, Max_87 didn't test the optimizations. But he didn't do that because he has not experience with 3D applications. However, I'm sure you do. Or at least someone else who has tried this mod.

Please remember, it's not only about the rendering speed. It is also about the quality of the rendering. Workstation cards should exhibit perfect rendering of the 3D model. Not so in desktop cards.

I think there is no need to argue about this matter. Best solution now is to test it out and report here. Agreed?

marvel31 · 21st Jun 2004, 09:25 PM

of course, i agree !!!
i was only a little bit disappointed because i couldn't find any performance-increases.

but i will go on with the tests.

cu

Max_87 · 21st Jun 2004, 09:35 PM

Oh, so that's what you mean

You are saying that the modded card does not enable the "special" 3d features

Try other 3d-softwares instead of just one

You may see the performance difference

BRB · 22nd Jun 2004, 04:23 AM

I think marvel31 is correct I just think he is having a hard time explaining what he means. After the flash I installed the latest ATi driver package for the FireGL X2 256MB (after removing the old 9800 Pro drivers).

This is what my driver panel looks like now. Note that the card is recognized as a FireGL X2 256MB but all the tabs for "special feature" adjustments are absent. Without the ability to set or view settings for these properties, how do I know the card is doing anything differently or maybe it would if I could optimize the settings that aren't there?

Saki · 22nd Jun 2004, 11:15 AM

I modded my 9700 pro into a X1-128 yesterday, but noticed that only the direct-X part of the drivers installed (and hydravision). The control panel problem can be fixed simply by installing the latest catalyst control panel from ATI's gaming cards. I think a modded OpenGL driver may still be needed though, because I cannot play MOHAA anymore due to a "can not load OpenGL subsystem" error. Gonna try to figure out a workaround now ^^.

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Max_87 h@x! Join Date: 11 Aug 2003 Location: the land of bandwidth cap Posts: 11,446 Reputation: 2090 Rep Power: 38	Oh, so that's what you mean You are saying that the modded card does not enable the "special" 3d features Try other 3d-softwares instead of just one You may see the performance difference __________________ Max_87 Tech ARP http://www.techarp.com Dell Studio 15 / P7350 / 3GB DDR2 / Radeon HD 3450 / 250GB 7200RPM / 15" @ 1920x1200 E8600 @ 4.4GHz 1.36v / Asus P5E3 Deluxe / 2x2GB DDR3 / Radeon X1800 / Barracuda 7200.9 120GB / 7200.10 320GB x2 / Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS / WD6400AAKS x2 / Dell 2007FP x2 / Silverstone ST56F

21st Jun 2004, 10:18 AM	#71 (permalink)
iatacs19 Newbie Join Date: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 1 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	How can I flash from FireGL X1 to Radeon 9700 Pro? I picked up a FireGL x1 for $99, but I don't need the workstation features. I just want to install catalyst and have control of video overall to watch DVD's. Is there any way to do this? I would like to keep the dual DVI out function as well.

21st Jun 2004, 07:45 PM	#75 (permalink)
marvel31 Newbie Join Date: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 15 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	@ Max_87 ohhh max, i think you dont really understand me. or you dont want to understand me yes of course, my card will be detected as a fireGL, but there are mods which changes only the name of your card. who said that this mod enables 3d-features and not only renames my card as a fireGL in the BIOS. and till now, nobody could prove me the opposite. nobody posted already some banchmark of 3d-software. now you know what i mean ?

21st Jun 2004, 09:25 PM	#77 (permalink)
marvel31 Newbie Join Date: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 15 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	of course, i agree !!! i was only a little bit disappointed because i couldn't find any performance-increases. but i will go on with the tests. cu

22nd Jun 2004, 04:23 AM	#79 (permalink)
BRB Newbie Join Date: 19 Jun 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 16 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	I think marvel31 is correct I just think he is having a hard time explaining what he means. After the flash I installed the latest ATi driver package for the FireGL X2 256MB (after removing the old 9800 Pro drivers). This is what my driver panel looks like now. Note that the card is recognized as a FireGL X2 256MB but all the tabs for "special feature" adjustments are absent. Without the ability to set or view settings for these properties, how do I know the card is doing anything differently or maybe it would if I could optimize the settings that aren't there?

22nd Jun 2004, 11:15 AM	#80 (permalink)
Saki Newbie Join Date: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 15 Reputation: 0 Rep Power: 0	I modded my 9700 pro into a X1-128 yesterday, but noticed that only the direct-X part of the drivers installed (and hydravision). The control panel problem can be fixed simply by installing the latest catalyst control panel from ATI's gaming cards. I think a modded OpenGL driver may still be needed though, because I cannot play MOHAA anymore due to a "can not load OpenGL subsystem" error. Gonna try to figure out a workaround now ^^.