wot mobo with a E6400????

Discussion in 'Processors, Motherboards & Memory' started by colinloves, Nov 22, 2006.

  1. Papercut

    Papercut Newbie

    You think so, or THG thinks so? :roll:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/11/four_975x_motherboards_for_core_2_duo/page15.html

    IMO, reading THG exclusively isn't so much a problem as the fact that you don't even have your own opinion; you're just regurgitating whatever they tell you. You haven't even considered any of the other boards in the thread starter's shortlist before passing on THG's recommendation. More for the same money...compared to what? Those other 3 boards in THG's roundup. But the same does not necessarily apply to the boards being discussed in this thread.
     
  2. CALLOFDUTY05

    CALLOFDUTY05 Newbie


    I've not included those boards specified by the thread starter bcoz they r outdated now.It's not good 2 invest in a 965 board while 975 is already out.

    Oh yes, I don't have a opinion of my own coz I don't think myself as a specialist or such big.Even when u say something,that's obviously based on some reviews or reports.Isn't it so? Do u have the opportunity to taste every devices of ur own to have ur own opinion about them ? U'll have to rely on other's views on the products which u didn't get the opportunity to use of ur own.Isn't it so or u do have ur own opinion about those things which u haven't used yet.I atleast have the trust on reviewers who I think r the eligible 4 that.I'm not even at the stage to criticise their work which they r doing for us,the readers.So, I rely on them coz they r pro at this which unfortunately I'm not.
     
  3. Chai

    Chai Administrator Staff Member

    What are you talking about???

    975X chipset is out LONG before P965. P965 was released together with Core 2 Duo, while 975X was already out with the P4 Prescott, not together, but you know what I mean.

    975X - late 2005
    P965 - Aug 2006

    I honestly suggest you read properly before you even form your own conclusion.
     
  4. CALLOFDUTY05

    CALLOFDUTY05 Newbie

    Sorry 4 that typo.I wanted to mean inferior instead of outdated.

    This is what Intel has to say 4 their P965 :-

    http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/p965/index.htm

    & for 975X chipsets :-

    http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/975x/index.htm

    So,according to Intel, 975x Chipset is a Performance Desktop Chipset while P965 is a Mainstream Desktop Chipset.I wanted to mean exactly, that P965 is inferior than 975x.U read the word " inferior " in the place of outdated.Thanks 4 mentioning that typo though.
     
  5. Papercut

    Papercut Newbie

    Edit:
    <ignore>
    As Chai already pointed out, the 965 chipset is in fact newer than 975.
    </ignore>
    I agree. However, the usual way to do things is to read reviews, then form your own opinion based on what they have written, and not simply take the reviewer's opinion as your own. It also helps to read reviews from multiple sources because that would give you a more comprehensive and balanced view.
     
  6. CALLOFDUTY05

    CALLOFDUTY05 Newbie

    Yeah, 965 is newer but is inferior than 975.What did u make feel that I only read from 1 site ? I generally read from 10-12 sites & generalise them.U think I only read from THG ? Sorry u r not right.I mostly post the links from them coz they do the most intensive reviews & their writing quality is also top notch than other sites but obviously I don't go & take what they say in their reviews.I follow other sites as well just like u.
    I've posted other links except THG as well but that didn't attract ur sight.Only THG links catches ur eyes.I don't know why ? Why do u guyz hate THG ? Do they take money from companies & write 4 them ? Let me know & I'll quit reading from them.


    Chai, is there ne way that I can convert my reputation on ur left from minus to plus ? I'm here to stay not to run away but that minus marking is very frustrating & annoying.Could u please do somethin' about it ?
     
  7. Max_87

    Max_87 huehuehue

    Actually, you should think about it yourself, why are the other forums members are giving you -ve reputation, instead of asking Chai to change your reputation to +ve. :arp: Think about it...

    I'm giving you a -ve reputation for this post.
     
  8. Adrian Wong

    Adrian Wong Da Boss Staff Member

    Hello CALLOFDUTY05,

    Chai cannot do anything about your reputation. It is awarded by your fellow forumers. Take a look at this feature here - http://forums.techarp.com/showthread.php?t=11044
     
  9. Chai

    Chai Administrator Staff Member

    P965 inferior to 975X?

    How you seen any performance comparison between both? What about overclocking? And the biggest factor of all, something which concerns you very much, price?

    I have tested both P965 based and 975X motherboard, and I can't really tell much difference between them. The only advantage 975X seem to have is slight edge in overclocking.

    You have minus in your reputation simply because people disagree with your post. Check your User CP for comments.
     
  10. CALLOFDUTY05

    CALLOFDUTY05 Newbie

    I've just asked coz I didn't know about this reputation stuff & u've added another -Ve just 4 asking this !!!!!!

    I'm trying so hard here to stay with u guyz to just make some friends but it seems, that noone like to have me here.I've got nothing 2 say, u r the Boss here.

    I can see a pure case of discrimination here.


    The statement was not mine, Intel positions 965 as a mainstream chipset & 975 as a performance chipset.

    http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=5&articleid=845&cid=1

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    ********************* Core 2 Duo Platforms From Asus - A Top To Bottom Comparison *******************

    1.SiSoft Sandra 2007

    http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_con...0AE8C0834DD5C84574D07BD0870DAFC4E166203CF5AF0

    2.Half Life 2 : Episode One & F.E.A.R. :-

    http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_con...0AE8C0834DD5C84574D07BD0870DAFC4E166203CF5AF0

    3.3D Studio Max 7.0 & Maya :-

    http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_con...0AE8C0834DD5C84574D07BD0870DAFC4E166203CF5AF0

    4.Adobe Photoshop CS2 - Filter Benchmark 3.0


    http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_con...0AE8C0834DD5C84574D07BD0870DAFC4E166203CF5AF0

    5.7-Zip File Compression & WinRAR File Compression(solid lead by 975 over 965)

    http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_con...0AE8C0834DD5C84574D07BD0870DAFC4E166203CF5AF0

    6.HDTach 3.0 :-

    http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_con...0AE8C0834DD5C84574D07BD0870DAFC4E166203CF5AF0

    The Final Word :-
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    With so many motherboards being produced in such a small span of time by the same manufacturer with feature sets so similar, you would expect these boards to overlap themselves quite a bit. Well, they certainly do in a lot of ways, but each board still manages to have a unique feature or point of attraction, making none of the boards we’ve looked at today completely out-done by another board.

    As our benchmarks have shown, there is very little raw performance difference between the available Core 2 Duo chipsets on the market, and almost zero difference between various motherboards using the same type of chipset. Our tests showed that Intel 975X motherboards tend to perform the best in most scenarios versus the Nvidia nForce4 and Intel P965 chipsets, likely due to the higher memory bandwidth and lower latencies, which affect all applications and benchmarks. However, these benchmarks only take into account if your system requires a single graphics card. If you require multiple graphics cards, your choices are narrowed down quite a bit.

    If you require multi-GPU operation, you don’t have a ton of choice. If you want an SLI configuration, there are a scant few SLI-enabled motherboards on the market for the Core 2 Duo, including the P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe platform we’ve looked at today. However, our recommendation would be to wait for the upcoming nForce 590 SLI Intel Edition chipset which will be out shortly, which should outperform today’s boards in most every way. If you want Crossfire, you’ll have to go with an Intel 975X motherboard, which are plentiful on the market today. Crossfire still remains largely un-popular, so we doubt this feature will be of major importance to many potential buyers.
    http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_con...0AE8C0834DD5C84574D07BD0870DAFC4E166203CF5AF0
     
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2006
  11. Adrian Wong

    Adrian Wong Da Boss Staff Member

    Hello CALLOFDUTY05,

    The reputation system is designed to prevent discrimination. For someone to obtain a significant number of positive or negative reputation, it requires several forum members to vote for or against your posts.

    Even if you are being discriminated by a few, they cannot keep giving you negative points. Others who appreciate your posts will back you up.

    Please read about the system here - http://forums.techarp.com/showthread.php?t=11044
     
  12. CALLOFDUTY05

    CALLOFDUTY05 Newbie

    Chai, let me know if u r agree with the links.Please be reminded that none of the links r from the THG.
     
  13. CALLOFDUTY05

    CALLOFDUTY05 Newbie


    Thanks for the info.I have the same number(39) of reputation (but in minus) what u have as the rep power.Wow,what an honour !!!!!!!
     
  14. Chai

    Chai Administrator Staff Member

    The question remains, are you willing to pay that much more for a very slight performance advantage?

    And that's only one more review, and the difference could have been due to poorer BIOS, different BIOS settings. All that could create such differences, or even memory timings.



    http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2860&p=16

    Take a look at this. Asus P5W-DH, one of the top 975X board, is somewhere in between the P965 roundup in all benchmarks!



    http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q4/abit-core2/index.x?pg=7

    What about this review? Virtually no difference at all. P965 performs just as well as 975X.

    These 2 websites are highly regarded. I always refer to them, even though I test the same thing sometimes.
     
  15. CALLOFDUTY05

    CALLOFDUTY05 Newbie


    Yeah, I do respect Anandtech a lot as well.

    But what u gonna say about this ?

    http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=2

    U can see their views on these 2 chipsets r contradictory at times.Now which one u gonna believe ?
     
  16. fguerro

    fguerro Newbie

    You should also consider some of the new boards based on the Nvidia 680i chipset (eVGA, Asus and maybe others) although there are reports on the web that some of these boards are causing data corruption across the SATA bus. One site believes it's a hardware issue but Nvidia claims it's a software bug. Stay tuned! :liar:
     
  17. Chai

    Chai Administrator Staff Member

    "P965 with the current immature BIOS revisions"

    Did you notice that AT has released a lot of updates on P965 based motherboard with new BIOS test? Tests prove that overclocking is much improved. Performance difference is really negligible, as shown in so many P965 vs 975X reviews.

    Unless you need Crossfire, there's no real advantage to 975X, even the lack of PATA support on ICH8 is often replaced by using 3rd party IDE controller, like the MSI board I have over here.
     
  18. CALLOFDUTY05

    CALLOFDUTY05 Newbie

    If Performance difference is really negligible, b2in P965 & 975x, do u think that this 975x will do well coz it's also pricey than the P965.What's the use of inventing a chip like P965 which is nearly identical(sometimes lower performing) to its predecessor by investing lots of money in the R&D ?
     
  19. Chai

    Chai Administrator Staff Member

    To create a lower cost but still high performance motherboard for the mass market. P965 is certainly selling a lot better than the higher cost 975X.
     
  20. PsYkHoTiK

    PsYkHoTiK Admin nerd

    Its called market segmentation.. Different markets have different requirements. Some don't want to fork out over 200 bucks for a motherboard (higher end like the 975X.) So you have the mid range one.

    Often, they aren't really different chips. Merely cut down or lower binned chips. Hence why you could unlock some of the features of the higher end offerings (which caused the manufacturer's annoyance.)
     

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